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The 3rd digital society Concept Conference

Overview

  • Date and Time: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 (2021) from 9:30 to 11:00
  • Location: Online
  • Agenda:
    1. Opening
    2. Proceedings
      1. Soliciting opinions from the public toward the formulation of a new Priority plan (results)
      2. Introduction and Proposals of Good Practices in Local local government
      3. New Priority plan (draft)
    3. Adjournment

Materials

Minutes

Secretariat: This is the Now that it is on time, we will hold the "digital society Concept Conference".

The secretariat will make an announcement at the beginning.

Today's meeting will be held online.

In addition, based on the operating guidelines for this meeting, with the confirmation of Chairman Murai, today's meeting will be held in a manner that is open to the press, as was the case last time, except for some of the proceedings. We would like to inform you that the press who have requested to attend the meeting will be able to do so online.

In addition, the timing for keeping the proceedings closed online is in the middle of the process, but we will make an announcement at that time.

Thank you very much, Mr. Murai.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. Thank you for coming despite your busy schedule.

I am also attending online today. I have heard that all 11 members will attend online, and I have heard that Member Kawabe will attend late and Member Ikeda and Member Mikitani will leave during the meeting. Thank you very much.

From Digital Agency, Mr. Makishima, Senior Vice-Minister for Foreign Affairs, and Mr. Yamada, Parliamentary Vice-Minister for Foreign Affairs

So, first of all, I would like to ask for a greeting from Minister for Digital Transformation Makishima. Nice to meet you.

Minister for Digital Transformation Makishima: Thank you very much to the .

Thank you very much for taking the time to participate in the 3rd "digital society Concept Conference" today.

At this meeting, you are holding discussions from a broad perspective on the ideal form of digital society and its realization. In particular, regarding New Digital Agency, which will be formulated for the first time since the establishment of Priority plan, on November 4 last time, you were divided into six important themes for discussion. Once again, we are talking about growth strategies, International Strategy, securing and developing digital human resources, semi-public sector such as medical care, education, and disaster risk management, revitalizing area, and digital society and public participation that do not leave anyone behind. I think we are currently discussing the issue of "No One Left Behind," including "No One Left Behind."

After that, we utilized the "Digital Agency Idea Box" to widely receive opinions from the general public on each theme.

When I listen to your discussions and opinions from the people of Japan, I once again recognize that there are various Issue surrounding digitalization in Japan. In order to solve these Issue, it is essential not only to systematize and redevelop information systems, but also to carry out structural reforms in conjunction with regulatory reform and other regions, and to have a cross-sectional perspective. From this perspective, it is necessary to further advance the contents discussed at the Concept Conference and implement them. Therefore, the Kishida Administration has just established the Digital Extraordinary Administrative Advisory Committee and the Conference on the Realization of the Digital Garden City Nation Vision.

Regarding digital reform, regulatory reform, and administrative reform, we will work on the formulation of digital principles, full investigation in light of digital principles, collective review, and area revitalization through digital implementation through digital consultation. A preparation office has already been set up in this Digital Agency.

The necessity of strongly advancing such digital initiatives was firmly addressed as one of the growth strategies in Prime Minister Kishida's recent Policy Speech. While taking into account the opinions of the members of the Concept Conference, Digital Agency will advance the digitalization of society as a whole.

Today, I would like to clarify the image of digital society that Japan aims for, present a plan for New Conference on the Realization of the Digital Garden City Nation Vision that will serve as a guidepost for discussions and initiatives in the Digital Policy Consultation and Priority plan, and invite all members to discuss it. Now, there are two organization bodies called Digiri and Digita, and I would like to once again express my gratitude and say that it is the Concept Conference and its experts who will create the guidepost to lead these two bodies.

As each council and New Priority plan draft is created, I would appreciate if you could focus your discussion on whether the image of the society we aim for is clear through digital, whether the roles of Digital Agency as a control tower are clear, whether the government's efforts are time-based, and whether they are easy to understand from the perspective of the people.

Based on the content of your discussions today, we will deepen our deliberations in Council for the Promotion of a Digital Society, which is headed by the Prime Minister and composed of all Cabinet members, by the end of this year, leading to the New prioritization in planning. On this occasion, I would like to fully convey the discussions from the members of the Concept Council to the Prime Minister.

This will be the first plan after New Priority plan and Digital Agency are launched. This is a compass for structural reforms and measures to realize digital society, and we have been working with the courage to send this out to the world and make proposals. I would like to hear your frank opinions today.

Best regards

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. Makishima.

Then, I would like to start the discussion right away.

Item (1): I would like to ask the Secretariat to explain the results of the public comment solicitation that we decided to advance at the previous meeting.

Secretariat: This is the Handout 1.

Please take a look at page 1. Through the "Digital Agency Idea Box," we received opinions on six themes. From November 5 to November 18, we received about 600 opinions. Let me briefly introduce them.

Please turn to the next page. It is related to economic growth. I would like to briefly introduce only the opinions that were most liked. In terms of creating a mechanism for digitalization, the most liked opinions are in the management of national money and digitalization.

Please turn to the next page. As a digital experience overseas, there are many "likes" in your opinion about the administrative procedure that allows online procedures in Singapore, South Korea, etc.

Next, I would like to talk about digital human resources. Digital human resources need various technologies, but people who can think about and talk about what the country should be like, and those who have various digital knowledge and technologies are the ideal form of digital human resources. There are many "likes" to the opinions.

Next, I would like to ask you about "Kurashi no digitalization." This is based on elections, but I have "likes" on expectations for various procedures such as administrative procedures.

Next is area. In relation to the unification and standardization of the area system, there are many "likes" to the fact that digitalization is moving toward opening area to the outside world.

Please tell us the following. No one will be left behind or left behind, but there are many "likes" on the opinions about support for people who are worried about being close to people who need support and using digital to show diverse choices.

As mentioned above, we have used these opinions in various ways in the New Priority plan Plan that I will present today, and we would like to continue to use them when considering our measures.

That's all.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. Thank you very much.

Then, I would like to proceed with the agenda. I believe you can discuss various matters later.

With regard to Item (2), we have received various opinions on the current call for opinions, but as it is a good example of the use of digital technology in a local local government, I would like to hear an introduction of efforts from local government officials.

This time, as a representative of the local government staff volunteer team, Mr. Ohsuke Chiba of public office, Funabashi City is participating, so please explain it.

Assistant Director Chiba: My name is Chiba from the local government staff volunteer team. Nice to meet you.

I would like to propose an approach to digitalization in order to make "a human-friendly local government that leaves no one behind."

Please see the next page. First of all, it is our sense of Issue. Currently, there is an urgent need to make administrative procedures online, but I think that it is essential to realize a "human-friendly digitalization that leaves no one behind" to evolve traditional contact points and expand familiar points of contact in addition to online.

We will encourage people who can use online to actively use it, and we will stand by and provide opportunities for those who need support. I think that using digital technology to show diverse options means that "no one will be left behind." By doing so, we will not only improve convenience, but also reduce the burden on employees in the efficiency of work and focus on higher-value-added work. I believe that it is necessary to gather the wisdom of the country and the local government and create effective methods together.

Please see the next page. Method 1 of the Approach is digitalization, a face-to-face counter. It is a mechanism to support face-to-face counter services in public office with a system equipped with business know-how. An employee creates an application form for the necessary procedures using resident data. The application data is circulated to the back processing of each business, contributing to the realization of one time only and business efficiency. This has already been implementation in local government, and is commonly known as "One-Stop Counter" in Kitami City, Hokkaidō.

Please see the next page. Method 2 is to expand services at a nearby base. By using a mechanism to remotely connect the out-of-office counter and the department in charge, more procedures and consultations can be performed at a nearby counter, including business operations that could not be handled previously. Even people who are unfamiliar with online application can perform procedures and consultations while seeing the face of the staff, and local government does not require specialized staff to be assigned to each base. In addition, it can be used at community centers and post offices in addition to out-of-office counters. This implementation has already been provided in public office, each ward of Kobe, and is used in the tax department.

Please see the following page. Method 3 is to provide an on-the-spot contact point for case workers and public health nurses when they visit. By using tablets, etc., and combining online application and remote service counter, procedures can be completed when visiting. Outreach from the administration will provide opportunities for procedures for those who have difficulty moving.

Method 4 is a means of identity verification for non-face-to-face procedures at home. By establishing a means of identity verification other than online procedures, procedures and consultations, including personal data, can be made possible even without face-to-face contact. It may be possible to ease procedures and interviews that are forced to come to the counter due to the face-to-face obligation, leading to online completion.

Please take a look at the next page. It is about the way forward.

The first is a mechanism that the country and local government jointly develop. It is necessary to introduce an environment in which local government, which is willing to take on challenges, can quickly small start, a mechanism that can be used quickly and inexpensively, and a service form premised on sharing for that purpose. For example, it is possible to recruit local government, which is interested in Digital Agency's co-creation platform, form a team of officials from the country and local government, accumulate knowledge, and share it. As a result, we believe that a new form suitable for the digital age, "The country and local government think together and create together," can be realized.

In addition, I think that cooperation with Government Cloud and standard specifications can be considered.

Take a look at the next page. Finally, it's about civic technology and open source.

One of the things we would like to recognize in order to realize a new form suitable for the digital age is the civic technology, which achieved great results last year. The development of the Tokyo Metropolitan Government's COVID-19 pandemic countermeasure site was held with the participation of more than 300 citizens, and it was released as an open source. As a result, it was deployed nationwide by other local government and civic technology organizations.

For example, the same can be considered for benefit's easy-to-understand information transmission and development, an app that contributes to push-type administration, and it is possible that the national government will define the dataset necessary for that in advance.

That's all for my explanation. Thank you very much.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. Thank you very much.

Mr. / Ms. Chiba and the local government Staff Volunteer Team will leave after this. If you have any questions, please raise your hand or chat with us. Would that be OK?

Thank you, Mr. Ikeda.

Member: . I'm Ikeda.

First of all, I would like to thank Mr. Chiba and all of you very much for your suggestions, including specific examples.

Having said that, among the proposals you just made, I am one of the people from local government, so I would like to make a comment. First of all, as was stated in the comment materials earlier, local government, which is willing to take on challenges, needs mechanisms and environments for rapid small start, and I very much agree with this. I also feel that it would be good to proceed in this way.

In addition, regarding a common system throughout Japan, standardization of the local government system is currently being discussed, and I believe that it should be discussed in that context.

In addition, in order to resolve the issue of area Issue, I believe it is necessary to have a mechanism in which the small start and the solution can be shared by area, which also has Issue, as discussed at the Concept Conference.

In this city, more than 15 digital-related demonstration projects have been conducted over the past five years, and several of them are now being implemented horizontally, and I believe it is important to horizontally implement the initiatives of local government, which is advancing such initiatives.

In addition, I am very grateful that Mr. Chiba, who made the announcement this time, and other aspiring local local government officials will make such recommendations and advance them in their respective local government from the perspective of the field. I would like to advance such efforts in Miyakonojo.

You are attending today, and I hope that you will listen carefully to the voices of area and local government, and that the Government of Japan, local government, and local governments will firmly cooperate to advance digitalization.

Best regards

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. .

Next, Mr. Hirai, please.

Hirai Member: Thank you, .

I would like to express my sincere gratitude to Chairman Murai, Minister Makishima, Senior Vice-Minister for Foreign Affairs Kobayashi, Parliamentary Vice-Minister for Foreign Affairs Yamada, and all of you for your continued support and cooperation.

Thank you very much for the wonderful presentation by Mr. Chiba of Funabashi. Since it is Funabashi City, the name Chiba is very easy to understand. First of all, I was surprised. I think you really pointed out the problem situation well. I am in favor of it, but I would like to add a few words from a national perspective.

As Mr. Chiba has just mentioned, I believe that enabling various applications and services in digitalization is one of the major models of a digital garden city-state. We are currently working to realize a new Issue fund through the efforts of Minister Makishima, including the horizontal development of various applications and services and the creation of new ones by ourselves. I believe that Senior Vice-Minister design is institutionalizing the system, but I would like the Governors' Association to make it as user-friendly and highly flexible as possible, and to support the creation of various applications and services based on such free ideas.

I feel that if we create something uniform, such as horizontal expansion, the timing of the development of the world will be delayed for digital society. I would be very grateful if you could operate the system so that the ideas of various young and middle-level officials can be utilized. I would appreciate it very much.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. Thank you very much.

Well, since we have limited time, thank you very much, Chiba-san, and the local government staff volunteer team. We are leaving now. Thank you very much.

(Leave local government Staff Volunteer Team)

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. Now, I would like to move on.

The proceedings will be closed to the public, including online. Will the Secretariat explain this matter?

Secretariat: This is the Office.

As the proceedings will be closed to the public from now on, we will close the online meeting for the press to observe. Thank you very much to all the press.

(Departure of Press Personnel)

Secretariat: This is the The work to make it private has been completed.

Mr. Murai, thank you for your continued support.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. Regarding agenda (3), before the Secretariat explains, I would like to hear the comments from Mr. Ikeda and Mr. Mikitani.

Member Ikeda, please.

Member: : Although I have to attend the Congress later, I would like to express my sincere gratitude to you and the people of Priority plan for your hard work in Digital Agency.

During the meeting, I also expressed my opinions on the position of local governments, and I was also the chair of the meeting on the revitalization of area, and I believe that the opinions I expressed there have been incorporated.

As you stated earlier, I would like you to steadily advance this, and to steadily advance discussions at the Digital Rincho and the Digital Garden City Conference, so that digitalization in Japan will further advance, and in local areas, I would like the government to lead a system in which the residents and citizens of area can enjoy the benefits of digitalization. We will also make steady efforts as Basic local government, so I would like to ask for your continued support.

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Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. Thank you very much.

Then, Mr. Mikitani, please leave the room in the middle of the session.

Mikitani Member: Thank you, .

Thank you very much for organizing this.

I would like to make four points. Since it is digital society, I believe that the communication platform and the cloud platform will be the foundation. In that context, to be honest, I think it is extremely regrettable that the government is using the cloud of Google and Amazon, in other words, the cloud of overseas subsidiaries, as the national cloud. Even though it is the United States, basically, the NSA has authority over American companies, and our information is leaked to them. As you know, Google has been fined hundreds of billions of yen in the EU, so I don't think it can be truly trusted and treated fairly. If we are to build a national foundation, I believe that it must be a Japanese version of the cloud, so it may not be possible immediately, but I would like you to think about it in the medium to long term.

Second, if we really want to think about digital society, I believe that digitalization, which is a small local administration, should be able to do that, but fundamentally, it is quite behind, and I think the outlook is extremely bleak. I believe that we should create a strategy with exciting major pillars, and as I have proposed to Prime Minister Kishida, we will create a policy to abandon cash by around 2030, not cashless but zero cash. Basically, considering that the cost of handling cash alone is more than 1.6 trillion yen per year and that various crypto-assets are emerging, I believe that Japan should be the first in the OECD to declare that it will not use paper money and coins, so I would like you to seriously consider this.

Another thing is that the number of engineers in digitalization, digitalization, is far too small. The number of computer science and information engineering graduates in Japan is about 60000 per year, compared to more than 1.7 million in India.

Rakuten Mobile can hire 1,000 or 2,000 engineers in a month. The system of a certain mega-bank became a problem. Basically, there are too few engineers, and it is difficult to get used to education. So, we have to think seriously about how to use foreign human resources, especially Indian human resources. To do this, we have to bring foreign human resources to Japan. Next, I think there is a problem that Japan is not an attractive country to visit. I wonder who will come to a country with a high tax rate of up to 55%, so I would like to see a significant reduction in tax, including personal tax.

In addition, if we are talking about cashless payments as I mentioned earlier, the tax system of crypto-assets is completely behind. Japan and about one other country in the world have so-called comprehensive taxation. When it comes to a financial country or a financial digitalization, crypto-assets will become important, but in this regard, the Financial Services Agency and others are completely behind. If we are really going to digitalization, I think we should digitalization finance completely first. I don't see any measures to deal with it, and I think it is conservative. If we digitalization all things related to the flow of money, such as payments, I think other parts will follow naturally, so I would like you to think about this seriously.

That's all.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. Thank you very much.

Then, although the order is different, I would like to ask for an explanation from the Secretariat on Priority plan (draft).

Secretariat: This is the materials.

I will explain the structure of the entire table of contents.

In the second part, we have set up a basic policy on the six themes discussed by the members of the Committee on "The Ideal Society through Digital."

Fourth, I would like to summarize the philosophy and principles that have been in place.

Fifth, there are basic strategies to realize various goals, such as consultation and International Strategy.

In the sixth and subsequent parts, I will write the parts that correspond to individual specific tactics.

First of all, with regard to the positioning of Priority plan, the Basic Act on the Formation of digital society was enacted in the ordinary Diet session this year, and Priority plan will be created. This is the first Digital Agency to be formulated since the establishment of Priority plan, and I would like to present an image toward the realization of the digital society that we should aim for.

In terms of the nature of Priority plan, it shows the efforts and schedule of not only Digital Agency, which is the control tower, but also each ministry and the entire government.

In addition to the image and principles of digital society, it will be a guidepost that will lead to digital consultation and Conference on the Realization of the Digital Garden City Nation Vision.

Next, I will explain the six initiatives I mentioned in detail on the next page. I have asked the members to discuss them, and I have listed specific figures for each of the six initiatives in the squares of Issue Recognition and goal.

In terms of growth strategies, our Issue recognition is that data is the source of value and competitiveness, so we will thoroughly implement digital first and digital utilization.

As stated in the framework, we will firmly design open data and architecture. From the perspective of the digital-first principle, we will thoroughly review the legal aspects and thoroughly examine the process to confirm whether law conforms to the principles.

They are medical care, education, disaster risk management, dependents and other semi-public sector. Until now, it has been difficult to provide appropriate services individually with fragmented and uniform services, and we will create an architecture and design that allows each citizen to freely combine and select services according to their own needs.

We have data in various fields, including the country, local government, and private sector, so we must consider data cooperation according to needs. We will design the architecture centered on Digital Agency.

Next is the revitalization of area. As you discussed earlier, based on the recognition that the development of infrastructure is insufficient and in many cases, data is not connected, Issue is the realization of a area distributed society and the creation of various employment opportunities by the national government providing common infrastructure in goal.

As you can see in the squares, it includes the development of information infrastructure, the development of digital human resources, and the promotion of initiatives to realize Issue networking in area as you mentioned earlier.

In A digital society where no one left behind, despite various restrictions, goal aims to create a society in which anyone can enjoy the benefits of digital.

As you can see in the square, we have mentioned the establishment of a service design system and the environmental improvement of a digital symbiotic society.

In terms of human resource development, as you just mentioned, our goal is to improve digital literacy and to build careers by moving between the public and private sectors, in other words, to create a revolving door.

In the square, there are many Digital Agency and private sector. I feel that we are required to make the best use of the abilities of those human resources. In addition, as shown at the bottom, we will thoroughly examine the image of human resources and the number of people necessary to realize the society we aim for, disclose the results, and firmly work on it.

On the next page, I would like to refer to DFFT. In International Strategy, the Japanese position is to lead the world by presenting a framework for cooperation to Europe and the United States by connecting reliable data.

As you can see in the square, we would like to contribute to the formation of international rules from a neutral standpoint.

On page 10, I would like to restate Digital Agency's roles as the control tower. I believe that digital society's roles are to have contact with the people, which is difficult for the Cabinet Office and each Ministry to be aware of, and to have the idea of providing services based on needs take root. Also, as you can see below from the middle, I believe that the roles are to share and firmly realize the development and dissemination of common functions of local government and digital strategies with the central government, semi-public sector, and regional divisions, which are the entities that develop the systems.

On page 11, I would like to reiterate the philosophies and principles I have been upholding. I have also been upholding the Basic Principles for the Realization of A digital society where no one left behind and the Formation of digital society, the 10 principles I summarized under Chairman Murai last year. In addition, regarding the operational review that the Cabinet Office and each Ministry tend to forget about BPR, which I have been working on, I have been advocating that BPR and regulatory reform are necessary for system development. In addition, Cloud-By-Default principle.

There are six strategies, but I would like to include the relationship of the Digital Policy Consultation later based on your discussions.

Regarding page 13, I would like to reflect the current discussions on the realization of Vision for a Digital Garden City Nation, which I will introduce later.

Please see page 14. We will work on the promotion of International Strategy and DFFT, which I mentioned earlier, with firm strategies.

In terms of securing safty and security, I believe that cyber, personal data protection, cybercrime prevention, and disaster response are also matters that should be addressed with firm strategies.

On page 15, I would like to talk about the Data Strategy. The Government of Japan has set the Data Strategy, but it will not progress without Digital Agency taking the lead. Therefore, in June, we created the Comprehensive Data Strategy. In it, we write down the matters to be considered and our future policies. We will proceed steadily while confirming the progress.

In addition, we are promoting the development of the digital industry.

From page 16, we will discuss specific tactics to be implemented individually.

First of all, regarding total design across the country, local governments, and private sector, we have formed a task force under the working group and are discussing it. In order to realize a public service that combines quality, cost, and speed, we will organize and examine the future image of the architecture, such as how to connect national and local data.

In addition, we will realize the installation of the vaccine passport on public service, which we are currently working on, by the end of this year as a digitalization for smartphone in emergencies such as measures against the novel coronavirus. In addition, we will realize steady and prompt benefits using the My Number system and the Specified Public Benefit System.

On page 17, as you discussed at today's meeting, we will steadily use the My Number system to expand information linkages in My Number System.

In addition, in My Number Card, more than 50 million (40%) of the cards are now available, and it has become possible to check drug information and medical care expenses through smartphones. We will steadily provide use cases to the people of Japan.

On page 18, in terms of points of contact with the people, I would like to continue to make steady efforts to make the procedures for relocation, death / inheritance, child rearing / nursing care, and other matters one stop at the local government and other counters.

On page 19, with regard to the digitalization of Life, as I mentioned earlier, we will conduct thorough demonstrations in medical and long-term care, education, disaster risk management, dependents, and mobility. In addition, there will be ministries in charge of each region and local government, so we will firmly establish networks there, and Digital Agency will firmly work on how to cooperate with each other and how to develop the architecture as our own work. semi-public sector

Next, as an industrial digitalization, we will promote the spread of gBizID for business operators, support digitalization for SMEs, and promote DX for the entire industry.

It is page 21. It is a part of the information systems of the country and local digital society because it is the systems and technologies that support local government.

Regarding (1), we will develop a development system for information systems that are important from a policy perspective. Although it is difficult for Digital Agency to keep all of them, we will develop a development system that can build the necessary prototypes when necessary.

In addition, as I mentioned earlier, we would like to develop a fast, flexible, secure, and cost-efficient cloud in Government Cloud.

With regard to the development of networks, we will integrate the LANs of the Cabinet Office and each Ministry, eliminate duplication, and advance efficiency.

With regard to the renovation of local information systems, we are currently advancing the standardization of the core operations of local information systems, and we would like to proceed with this with your continued cooperation.

In addition, we will advance the development of infrastructure, including 5G.

Please see page 22. In terms of securing human resources, as I stated earlier, we will make necessary efforts in education to firmly secure digital literacy, and we will also firmly advance recurrent education.

In terms of the development of human resources specializing in digital technologies, we will also create a digital category for the national public service examination, and we would like to create an environment that would realize a revolving door.

Finally, we have set up a future promotion system.

The above is the outline, and in addition to that, we will attach the text, the process chart, and so on, and the new Priority plan will be established as a whole.

That's all.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. Thank you very much.

As you stated in your opening remarks, Mr. Makishima explained that there are two related councils, the Digital Policy Consultation and the Conference on the Realization of the Digital Garden City Nation Vision Conference. Please provide an explanation from the Secretariat on the status of these discussions.

Secretariat: This is the Handout 3-4.

As you mentioned in your address earlier, we have put forward the Digital Principles, and in order to promote digital, the Digital Policy Coordination will conflict with the regulation system, and I believe that various reviews may be necessary for the administration. Therefore, we have put forward the Digital Principles, and in the form of the regulatory reform that should be, the administration that should be, and the digital reform that is necessary, we will promote it cross-sectionally and integrally in cooperation with each department. The Digital Policy Coordination is to create the Digital Principles for that purpose.

For example, as Minister Makishima presented at the Digital Consultation in November, there are various systems at the Cabinet Office and each Ministry regarding rules that require written, face-to-face, digital completion, periodic inspections, etc. It is difficult to inspect these things one by one, so first of all, we will set forth the principles and make them more reasonable rules by utilizing IoT technology. We will set forth the visual inspection Principles by the end of the year, and after the beginning of the new year, we will inspect the systems at the Cabinet Office and each Ministry.

In addition to that, we are considering brushing up on the principles of ensuring interoperability and the principles of public-private cooperation using a common platform, and finalizing them by the end of the year.

For example, if you look at the arrows at the bottom of page 7, I will categorize each regulation I just mentioned and show the specific criteria and perspectives for the review. For example, in this year's ordinary Diet session, the review of seals was revised by a lump-sum method. In this way, if a review is necessary as a result of validation, the review will be conducted in a lump.

In addition, as a specific measure in Priority plan's explanation earlier, Minister Makishima made a presentation that we should create a process to confirm the compliance of new law with the Digital Principles, and the Digital Policy Consultation will be held once more within this year, and we are considering firmly stating the principles there.

Next, please show me Handout 3-5. I'm Vision for a Digital Garden City Nation.

As for the bureaus, the bureaus in charge of towns, people, and jobs, not us, serve as the Secretariat, and Minister Makishima participates as a joint Vice Chairman.

I think the second page tells the whole story. As you can see at the top, our aim is to transform area's "life and society," "education and research development," and "industry and economy" with the power of Digital infrastructure, and to build a "digital garden city" that fuses "the convenience of a big city" and "the richness of area."

As you can see at the bottom of this picture, Digital infrastructure is considering the direction of realizing public-private joint efforts through a comprehensive design in which the national and local governments are united under an open data infrastructure or data connections in which local people can freely use various services, such as digital infrastructure and public service infrastructure (mutual cooperation of services by API gateway and integrated ID, certification, settlement, and common functions, and data connections infrastructure) at the bottom. In this way, the conference will be held again this year, and consideration is now being made to compile an overall picture of immediate measures and mid - to long-term measures.

That's all.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. Thank you very much.

Now, we will enter into a free debate. Basically, as you just explained, the overall direction is that we would like to decide on Priority plan within this year based on today's discussions. The head of the composition is the result of the discussions at the Concept Conference.

There are the results of the explanation of the two Digilines and the Digital Garden City that you just explained, so that is the bottom part. The part in bold above is that it is decided by the members, so I would like you to discuss it based on that. I heard that Mr. Hirai is scheduled to leave, so first of all, may I hear your opinion from Mr. Hirai?

Hirai Member: Thank you, .

First of all, I would like to respond a little to what Mr. Mikitani said earlier. You said that the foundation of Google and Amazon has been decided. As I said last time, I believe that basic systems in 17 regions will be established. I believe that it is necessary to proceed in a manner that takes into account the actual conditions of each design and the needs of local organizations, as Funabashi area explained earlier.

At the same time, for example, when a large project moves, it will lead to the revitalization of industry, which has occurred in Japan and is also happening around the world. Since we are going to design 17 large-scale systems like this, I wonder if it is possible to promote them so that they will also lead to the development of digital industries in each area. In particular, if it is a foreign company, I think that if the profit and results go only overseas, the value will decline. Therefore, as a method of promoting them, there are various software development companies in area, companies with various ideas, and companies that want to participate, so I think it is good to connect them well, and to develop them based on the foundation that has been established. I would like to comment on this point first.

In addition, I basically agree with your proposal for today's plan, so I would like to state that premise. We have just decided to promote Vision for a Digital Garden City Nation. As the Prime Minister said in his policy speech on Monday, this will be an initiator to revitalize each area. If that is the case, as the Prime Minister has said, I would like you to clearly state or explain in the plan that the foundation for digital implementation, such as 5G and optical fibers, will be developed.

In addition, I mentioned human resources, but such digital human resources are not deployed anywhere in Japan, and they are sparse and dense. I believe that such ingenuity will be required, such as ways to complement such areas through human resource development and a network-type society.

As the new Priority plan will be moving out, inquiries have been made to the respective organizations and local organizations. The deadline is next week, but the National Governors' Association will of course give its opinions, but I believe other organizations will also do so. I believe that the Kishida administration is a "listening power" administration that listens to the voices of the people on the ground, so I would like to see such local opinions actively incorporated.

Best regards

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. Thank you very much.

Regarding the fact that the order for the cloud was made in Japan, I thought Mr. Mikitani had pointed it out. I think the relationship between local areas was also a very valuable discussion. Thank you very much.

Then, from other people, anyone is fine.

Mr. Ito, please.

Ito Member: I'm Ito.

At the previous meeting, I talked about this from the perspective of international relations. Everyone is paying attention to Priority plan and Digital Agency, where we are now, and Japanese digital transformation in general, and everyone is interested in how and where it will be decided. Based on the current process, I think it is quite important when and how English outputs will be produced and where they will be dropped. I think there may be a plan in Digital Agency, but we, the members and other people involved, are asked various questions from various sources, so what kinds of things will be produced in English and where they will be produced, and I think there will be input from foreign countries. If we are doing this, I think Digital Agency is calling on us to do this and studying various things. In particular, I think there is a possibility that people from outside will tell us that there are open source projects like this, so when there is an indication that it is better to publish properly and do this, I think it is better to receive input before it is completely fixed, so I think it would be good if we could announce the progress somewhere. If something has already been decided on this, I would like to ask you. If it has not been decided, I would like to focus on it.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. .

It is very important, and I am basically saying the same thing about any policy. I expect that Digital Agency is ready for it, but I would like to hear just one word that the Secretariat is fine. What do you think?

Secretariat: This is the Thank you for pointing this out.

Of course, it is difficult to translate all of Priority plan, which I am working on now, but I would like to make a presentation material for it. In the sense that we will start working on it after it is completed, I have not been able to respond sufficiently to Mr. Ito's suggestion that it is halfway through, but I would like to produce a solid output and create something to promote overseas.

In addition, if possible, I would like to share it with each member and receive various opinions.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. .

What you just pointed out is that it is also important to have a mechanism in which opinions can be collected and reached internationally, so I would like to ask you to consider this as well.

Secretariat: This is the Certainly.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. Then, Mr. Kokuryo, please.

Member of the National Territory: Thank you for your hard work. I think you are getting better.

As I think it is page 34 of Attachment 3-2 (1), the sixth section, "Total Design through Country, local governments, and private sector," contains very important matters. In the second from the back, I would like you to reflect my comments and write, "By enabling private service to play a front-end role in public service, I will enable the people to choose a more diverse UI and UX." I am very grateful.

If possible, I would like to go one step further. For example, as an expression, I would like to express that public service can be incorporated as a module of private sector digital services. The reason why I think this is important is that, for example, considering marriage, administrative procedures are part of a series of user experiences of life events, and I think it is good to be able to digitalization them seamlessly. Therefore, I think it is important to go so far as digitalization from the user's perspective and design orientation. Therefore, we have a very good message about realizing a variety of user-oriented UI and UX, and I thought it would be good to clearly set forth a policy toward the creation of a mechanism that can realize this.

That's all. Thank you.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. . This is a very valuable opinion.

Then, Parliamentary Vice-Minister Yamada, please go ahead.

Parliamentary Vice-Minister Minister for Digital Transformation Yamada: My name is Yamada.

Because of the important points made by Mr. Mikitani and others, I, who participated in this Priority plan for a considerable amount, thought it necessary to touch on the development of domestic industries, so I raised my hand.

One is that Digital Agency wants to somehow develop domestic industries. There is also the development of human resources, but I believe that the basis for this is how to involve domestic industries, including cloud computing. In fact, although it is only written in small letters as the development of the digital industry, I have written here that we will develop Japan's digital industry, including small and medium-sized enterprises such as venture companies.

One more thing, you mentioned that you have selected all foreign cloud products, including media reports. There are various discussions within the Agency. First of all, this time, we will consider the base based on the criteria of the best in the world, so we have selected AWS and others. I would like you to know that there will be more discussions on how to proceed, including operation.

This is important. For example, if we divide IaaS, PaaS, and SaaS, I think they are nested. I believe there is a lot of debate over whether all of them are actually made in foreign countries. As Gov. Hirai said earlier, when we support cloud computing in area, will the service level be able to catch up if all of them are made in foreign countries? There is also debate within the Agency about whether it would be good to have cloud environments provided by vendors close to the site if we were to provide solid support in area.

With regard to SaaS, we are in a competitive environment in which domestic and foreign companies, including venture companies, provide good products, but I believe that the combination of IaaS and PaaS, which are the platforms, will be discussed in the future. In addition, I believe that there is still a debate over whether only foreign-made products can truly support the specific implementation of LGWAN, which is being discussed in Digital Agency, on how to change the network between area to cloud environments. In that sense, we have selected the best ones in terms of learning, but in terms of realization and provision, we intend to have Japanese cloud vendors participate. However, I would like to decide how to strategically select such products while consulting with the members who are participating today.

One more thing I would like to say is that, even if it is a cloud of a Japanese company, the company also uses components and technology bases from foreign companies. Because of this current situation, we will sort it out, including what is domestic, and public opinion and the people of Japan have pointed out since the last meeting. We will consider how to combine it domestically and internationally, while receiving opinions from everyone, based on our understanding of the needs and various requests from governors and heads of municipalities. There are points of contention such as foreign companies, the United States, and Minister in charge of Administrative Reform Okada. I believe that there is naturally an argument that the ideal data center should properly store the information of the people in Japan. I would like to organize it under Priority plan.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. Thank you very much.

You mentioned that the industrial structure will change because the structure changes, and you also mentioned the perspective of a Minister in charge of Administrative Reform Okada. Thank you very much.

Then, Ota-san, please.

Member: Thank you, .

I would like to add two points regarding (4), which is that no one will be left behind and all Japanese nationals will be able to participate. Regarding (4), which is about the guidelines on accessibility, as we have discussed with experts, a fairly good guideline itself was created seven to eight years ago, but in reality, it has not been implemented, including in Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications, which was created. Regarding this, I would like to ask you to follow up on the legal measures and procurement mentioned here by setting a specific schedule and considering them.

As stated above, if we are truly committed to the fact that this will lead to innovation in the market, not only for the disabled, but also for the frail elderly, one point is that we would like you to follow up on the effectiveness of this.

At the end of (4), it is written that visualization will be conducted as a "comprehensive effort as described above." It is also written that Priority plan will be reviewed and updated in the middle of next year. As I mentioned last time, the Tokyo Metropolitan Government will conduct a survey to quantitatively identify the current location every year from 2020 to the twenty twenty-five of the year. The survey is currently being conducted for the second time, and will be announced in February next year. Although the national government has written various good things and has set a budget, I would like the survey to be conducted within this fiscal year if possible.

Lastly, although the results are also important, as I believe Senior Vice-Minister for Foreign Affairs Kobayashi made a statement before, I think it is very meaningful in the sense that measures that work in multiple ways advance various things. I would like to reiterate that we will follow open source properly. As Mr. Chiba introduced earlier, the Tokyo metropolitan government's COVID-19 response site is open source and has a variety of participants, so it has easy Japanese and multiple languages from the beginning. It also supports screen readers and people with color vision, so it naturally has more inclusiveness. It is created on GitHub, so it has a relatively international nature, as Audrey Tan sent a full request.

In addition, looking at open source overseas, not only vendors in large cities but also small businesses in local areas can use open source for development and implementation. In fact, in Japan, for example, CKAN, an open data management company, can be installed on the cloud in local areas and implementation can be maintained in local areas. Therefore, I think it would be good to set up a task force or something like that if you want to consider open source properly.

As Mr. Ito said, in terms of learning from overseas, the Biden Administration in the United States is considering open source. During the Obama Administration, it was said that 20% of the federal government's procurement would be open source, and the Biden Administration is reviewing it when it updates the federal government's IT infrastructure of 9 billion dollars, or about 1 trillion yen. I have heard that there are some things that are not going well, so open source will lead human resources, internationality, and inclusiveness from various perspectives, including the sharing of knowledge, Issue, and potential. I would like to ask you to create a team and continue to follow them.

That's all.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. Thank you very much.

Then, Koshizuka-san, please.

Koshizuka Member: Thank you very much.

First of all, I would like to thank you very much for putting all this together in a very short period of time. I think it was quite a work, including the considerable details such as the process chart in the documents.

In addition, when I look at this from an engineer's point of view, I can see that Priority plan, where the words "API," "architecture," and "accessibility," as I mentioned earlier, are appearing more and more, is a place that can hardly be thought of 10 or 20 years ago, and I can feel that times have changed. I would like to express my deep gratitude for the fact that it was created based on a wonderful idea.

There are a few things I would like to think about. In Priority plan, for example, the Japanese IT policy started 20 years ago with the establishment of the IT Strategic Headquarters, and 20 years later with the establishment of Digital Agency. In the sense that we are creating Digital Agency 20 years after the establishment of the IT Strategic Headquarters and rebuilding it once again, I think we are creating a very historic document.

In that case, in particular, what do we aim for in digital society in the opening paragraph on page 5 of this article? Compared to 20 years ago, at that time, it was mainly network hardware such as cables, computers, and hardware and software, but now it is individuals and not being left behind. I think the perspective has changed significantly. I think this is wonderful, and I hope that it will become a historical document that will support and reinforce this more carefully. First of all, I think it would be good to push this point very strongly.

Another point is, as Mr. Digital Agency and the country as a whole have been discussing for a long time today, we are focusing on providing excellent and good services to the people. On the other hand, providing good services at the present time is somewhat like looking into the future, such as human resource development, research development, and industry development. There is a slight contradiction between providing good services at the present time and what to do for the future in each field, and I think a good balance is necessary. In that sense, we are focusing on individuals and bringing in the best services in the world, but there is also the idea of buying and using good people, systems, and services. On the other hand, when I think about human resource development at graduate schools and industry development, I think it is important to consider the future and balance human resource development, research development, and industry development.

Finally, another point is that I myself worked on semi-public sector, and the important thing is cooperation. In addition, there is another word, cooperation, but it is very important. It is very important to cooperate APIs and data. In addition, it is very important for organization to cooperate between the central and local governments, and there was a lot of discussion today about reviewing the relationship. There has been discussion about the importance of cooperation between industry and the government, and creating new industries in semi-public sector. As for cooperation between industry and the private sector, and between the government and the private sector, I think civic technology efforts are also very involved in that. These cooperation and cooperation are very important for realizing semi-public sector, and I think it will eventually lead to supporting the people, so I would be grateful if you could support me.

That's all.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. Thank you very much.

Then, Mr. Kawabe, please.

Kawabe: First of all, I read through the materials in 's Word. It is a very ambitious initiative, and I think it is truly wonderful for Digital Agency and the people of the relevant ministries.

On the other hand, the front is expanding greatly, or rather, there are enormous tasks here, and although they are so enormous, they are priority items, so I think it would be good to prioritize them more, focus on the priorities among the priorities, and work on them flexibly. As the people are watching, it would be good to produce results that are easy for the people to understand, and connect them to medium - to long-term efforts while obtaining support. First of all, I believe that the general remarks are so.

In that context, to give you a detailed explanation, on page 4 of the Word file, I made a proposal in advance that it would be better to introduce a mechanism to encourage the use of My Number, specifically My Number Card, private sector, and it has been adopted. Thank you very much. I believe that it is important for My Number, or My Number Card, to be used more, thereby accelerating digital society. However, if My Number is not used more in private sector, there will be a shortage of opportunities, and the number of people who want to acquire My Number Card will be limited.

However, I believe that it is important to support private sector, as we consider economic rationality as usual, such as how to enter Okinawa and what benefits there will be if we do so.

In addition, I would like you to open page 4 of [Material 3-2] New Priority plan (draft) in the Word file, and the My Number and the measures to support My Number Card that I just mentioned are not included here. There is a limit to the number of characters, but it is not included in the power point. So, I would like to mention it just in case. If I say so here, it is not at all true that the use of My Number will be expanded if it is left alone, so it is better to promote the use of private sector. private sector

Next, on page 6, it says, "By providing the country with regional infrastructure," which I believe is very important. In terms of common infrastructure, I believe it is ideal for Digital Agency to provide a strong platform and for public service to utilize it to create a diverse development. I believe that we should draw a more specific line between them, and based on that line, we should establish principles here that the country will vigorously provide regional infrastructure and the region will use it.

I think that the good practices of digitalization in each local government that I saw last time are very wonderful in themselves, but when I look at the overview now, it seems that each region is doing it, including the infrastructure below. About 80 million people for LINE and 60 million people for Yahoo are using various things on a single system, and hundreds of millions of people around the world are using various things on a single system for Google, Facebook, and Amazon. However, it is strange that only the Japanese government is on-preting, including low-layer parts, and is decentralized to local governments with separate systems, like digitalization. So, I would like you to take the fact that the national government provides local infrastructure as one of the biggest missions of Digital Agency, and try to establish the rule principles of what the national government does more specifically, and on that basis, local governments should use various systems.

Page 21 is the same story as I just told you, and it refers to the services of each local government above Government Cloud on a common basis. I think it is very good to reform this itself, and I would like to support it. However, it is written here with Juki, and I have the impression that it is quite in-depth. As you know, Juki has been sued for data utilization, but unless I have the courage to go into this, I think it should be made into statistics, but it will not be possible to realize data-driven efficiency of Japanese administration by utilization beyond local government, so I will instruct you to go into this.

On the other hand, there are many people who are sensitive about this information, so I think it would be good if we could become a world in which such a data concept and systematic uniformity are fundamentally regarded as separate things while properly engaging in dialogue. I think it would be good if we could do our best to promote this.

The last two points are about human resource development, although I will not mention how many pages because the materials are diverse. Mr. Mikitani was quite in-depth, and as other members said, human resource development is quite front and center at the Conference for Realization of New Capitalism. At that conference, I am the most digital person, so I talked about the method of digital human resource development in detail. So, in particular, I talked with engineers about the true method of digital human resource development and recurrent education. I have prepared materials and explained them to the staff of the Cabinet Office, so if possible, I would like to share them with you. If it is difficult, I would like to explain the method of human resource development to someone again, so I would like to ask you about it.

In addition, as Mr. Mikitani has been saying quite a lot about cloud computing, when digitalization in Japanese society promotes cloud computing in the future, if administrative systems and private sector's systems are to be linked or highly linked, it will be difficult to do so unless all of them use domestic cloud computing from the perspective of private sector. In terms of national cloud computing, it may be domestic cloud computing, but when working with private sector, private sector of course uses AWS and Azure as usual from the perspective of economic rationality and the desire to use the latest technologies, so I believe that the IT Federation is now proposing a national data connections infrastructure to Digital Agency. On Monday, December 13, there will be an event to raise awareness about this. Therefore, if the government takes the initiative in connecting clouds and building a data connections infrastructure, from a Minister in charge of Administrative Reform Okada perspective, we can use clouds from other countries or work in cooperation with private sector, so I would like you to consider a national data connections infrastructure.

In any case, this is a very ambitious initiative, so I hope that we will be able to welcome digital society while gaining the understanding of the people of Japan, while giving priority to and properly promoting each and every initiative, and achieving some quick-win results.

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Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. Thank you very much.

Noda-san, please.

Member: Thank you, .

As you all said, thank you very much for putting together this in such a short time.

I have frequently participated in the two sub-committees and have held discussions, and I believe that my opinions are mostly reflected. Thank you very much.

When I read the whole article again and looked at the opinions of the people, I don't think it bothers me, but if we can improve the issue of tone, it is about the vision of society, what we aim for with digital. I felt that the tone of looking from the top down, saying that the people and citizens will benefit, that the people will not be left behind, and that the country will do its best to provide services to the people, is strong. The country is facing people who support, people who are supported, and people who are benefited, but I think digital should rather empower and engage the people, and encourage the people to participate. It encourages and invites the people's abilities, ingenuity, and ideas. In other words, I have the impression that it would be good to have a stronger tone of being a means of engaging the people. I think it is important to use digital as a tool to open up the Issue of the country and local government, understand that Issue, and encourage the people and citizens to deliver various ideas to the country and local government.

In the past, the public sector was mainly handled by the government, but by incorporating digital technology, citizens can be more proactively involved. Citizens will be involved in the solution of Issue. Through this, businesses and startups that solve Issue will be born. Especially in the regions where Issue is large, citizen-driven startups that solve Issue will be born. As a result, it will lead to regional revitalization and growth strategies. In some cases, it may also contribute to fiscal reconstruction. It is to create a society in which citizens can participate in a flatter relationship, rather than a hierarchical relationship. It is written that the public and private sectors will cooperate and deliver excellent services to the people, but citizens and the people will be involved in it, and they will work together to build a country, build a area, and solve social Issue. I thought it would be good to convey that digital technology is for that purpose.

That's all.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. .

Thank you, Mr. Wakamiya.

Wakamiya Member: I agree with Mr. Noda. In short, I think all the people are involved. However, there are many people around me who have nothing to do with digital. They have the idea that they need Digital Agency and IT companies to work hard. It is something that we will do for ourselves and for our descendants, and we must cooperate.

The other point is that I believe we must place more emphasis on the perspective of volunteer activities. There are various organizations, including the government and the private sector, IT companies, and the city and the public office. In the future, we will have to have groups in the area actually work as volunteers. In that sense, we will ask people who are literate to a certain extent to cooperate with us, and we will ask people who have not yet made their digital debut to participate. I do not know whether Mr. Digital Agency will make public relations or another public office will do it, but I would like you to tell the people about this in an easy-to-understand manner.

That's all.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. .

Thank you, Natsuno-san.

Natsuno Member: I also think that there is no problem with this document and this plan, so thank you very much to the secretariat.

I would like to make one point. I believe that there have been various cases of cloud computing. In reality, the current state of cloud computing is not well understood, and various discussions are taking place in Japan and elsewhere. Realistically speaking, in terms of functions and costs, domestic companies are no longer competitive. On top of that, it is common sense and common sense in the world to development applications. Therefore, I believe that Mr. Yamada, Parliamentary Vice-Minister for Foreign Affairs, can give us political consideration. However, if we do not get caught up in such domestic discussions, it is extremely dangerous that we will not be able to use a cloud with proper and good functions. I would like to just say that we are in a situation where we cannot do anything about the fact that there is an overwhelming difference from Japan's domestic cloud.

That's all.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. .

Thank you for your valuable comments. I would like to share a few things I have noticed.

I have just heard from Ota-san that we have been considering various aspects of accessibility, but nothing has happened. Looking at the end of the entire "New Priority plan (Draft)," there are many sentences that end with "I will consider." As Ota-san said, it would be a problem if "I will consider" is not realized, so I think it would be better to write it in a way that goes so far as to consider and do something about it. Regarding the wording, I am worried that the end of the word ends with "I will consider."

Regarding the matter of the person himself being involved, which Mr. Noda and Mr. Wakamiya pointed out, Mr. Noda said that he would look from the top, but to tell the truth, there is a modification in advance that I have to confess. In the previous version and this version, "No one will be left behind" was changed to "No one will be left behind." We have to look at the people, so I thought that "No one will be left behind" is the view of people who will go forward. I did not expect that the picture I drew to explain would be adopted. I also wanted to reverse the view from the top.

In another story, I think that having to be involved in activities was a discussion of literacy and competency. I am concerned that this has not been included, so I would like you to consider it.

Time is pressing, so that's all from me.

I would like to hear Mr. Ishikura's comments after hearing your opinions so far.

Mr. Ishikura, please.

Chief Officer of the Digital Agency, Ishikura: One last thing.

Many people have said this, but I also believe that it is more important to make use of local and overseas ways of doing things that may be useful in various ways than to create various things from scratch.

For example, in the case of learning advanced cases from overseas, we will properly communicate them and ask them to teach us various things. Various governments around the world are doing the same thing, so there are many things to be taught, but in that case, it is better not to talk about general things, but to talk about how your government did this part, and to contact the person in charge directly.

In addition, in the case of local areas, there were various examples such as Miyakonojo earlier, and I have also been to the site and have been very helpful. I thought it was very important to ask the parties concerned to teach us various things directly.

Finally, Priority plan has been rewritten many times, and I think it is well organized and very easy to understand. I think it is good to wait for the CxO people to make this into a slide or a simple story that can be easily understood by the general public.

For the English version, I think it would be good to make a simple slide version that can be understood by the general public into English. I think it is very important to send it overseas, but if it is done in a report format of more than 100 pages, I think it is difficult to know which one is the most important.

As for overseas, I can think of another initiative. It will be too late to nurture the digital human resources that are currently in shortage, so I would like to say again that we will advance a project in which we can work remotely from overseas. I would like to think about how we can actually do that.

In any case, I thought it would be better to explain what we are trying to do in a simple way that anyone can understand. I also thought it would be better to ask the parties concerned to tell us about the efforts that other people are also making, to always think about the position of this Priority plan in the world, and to appeal to them.

That's all.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. .

I would like to ask for comments from Parliamentary Vice-Minister for Foreign Affairs Yamada. I am sorry that I have exceeded the time due to my failure.

Parliamentary Vice-Minister Minister for Digital Transformation Yamada: My name is Yamada.

As I mentioned earlier, when we formulated Priority plan, we organized several things. Until last time, Priority plan had a nested structure of To be and To do. This time, I organized what we should aim for and what we should do in response to it, and I organized it thoroughly to confirm what the assumptions and conditions are. I think this is the main point of this time.

In that context, I don't think I was able to specifically review the process chart today, but I think what is very important is what we do and what we don't do. Some of the members of the committee said that they could do all of this big work, but I think the worst thing is to spread the word and do nothing. I think it is important to sort out priorities and achieve them within a certain period of time. For the first time, I believe that Japanese digital policy, including Digital Agency, will be trusted.

Finally, regarding the so-called cloud, which Mr. Natsuno pointed out, I believe that it is necessary to thoroughly discuss how it should be in Japan and overseas. I am from a foreign country and have seen various technologies in Japan and overseas, but I believe that there is no doubt that many Japanese people in area are very worried about how to interact with technologies overseas. In particular, the head of the prefecture is concerned that the level of service at the site will be lowered, and I am meeting with various people in person, so I believe that it is necessary to focus on points so that this does not happen, and to include how to interact with domestic and foreign companies, or how to take charge of them, in the plan.

To be honest, I believe that Digital Agency has been very poor at explaining to the people. Reflecting on this, I believe that it will be extremely important to carefully explain individual matters, particularly the matters that the people of Japan and people on the ground are worried about, to those who need them, time and time again, once Priority plan is in place. In addition, you pointed out that it is from the top, but it may have been so far. I believe that what is required next is how to conduct dialogue based on all of this reflection. I will firmly work on that point based on what you pointed out today.

Thank you very much.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. . So, last but not least, Mr. Makishima, may I ask you a question?

Minister for Digital Transformation Makishima: Thank you very much to the experts.

I would like to express my heartfelt gratitude for the many feedback I received until today, as well as for the advice I received on adding and modifying New Priority plan.

I am truly encouraged by the fact that you have taken into account the architecture and accessibility that we are aiming for. There are still many things that need to be done, such as relations between the central and local governments and human resource development, but I would like to continue to make efforts so that many people will know that we in Priority plan are working based on New Digital Agency by the end of this year.

In addition, I think it is encouraging that you said that all the people of Japan are involved in this matter. Today, there are many people on the ground who are called IT-related companies, and I think I learned once again that it is important to tell them that it is not only Digital Agency that will do it, but that everyone will do it together, and that this is what digital society will be like in the future.

After the establishment of the New Priority plan, I think it is important to conduct public relations. I think this is domestic and international, but the MOC (Memorandum of Cooperation) was first concluded with Denmark, and I have already been communicating with 16 ambassadors in Digital Agency. At present, they are called because of their interest in what Digital Agency is like. From now on, I believe that interest will further deepen in the specifics of what digital society is trying to do, what DFFT is aiming for, and how Japan, including Priority plan, is thinking about its global strategy. I would like to communicate such matters based on the New Tokyo.

Thank you very much.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. Thank you very much.

Then, as you explained at the beginning, we will compile it by the end of this year. In the meantime, there will be a digital consultation. I plan to participate in it, so I think we will compile it after that. If you have any remaining opinions, etc., I would like to ask you to send them to the Secretariat.

That's all for today's agenda. I'll return it to the secretariat.

Thank you very much.

Secretariat: This is the Secretariat.

I would like to briefly address three points to the members.

Regarding the materials for the plenary session, except for the outline and draft materials for Priority plan, we will disclose them on our website today. I would like to ask that the materials related to Priority plan be limited to the members.

Second, we will announce the minutes on our website after we contact and confirm them with the members.

Finally, the next meeting is scheduled for the beginning of the New Year. We will ask everyone about the schedule and adjust it. Thank you.

That's all.

Mr. Murai, please.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Mr. Thank you very much.

With that said, I would like to close today's "digital society Concept Conference."

Thank you very much for your time.