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Second digital society Concept Conference

Overview

  • Date and time: Thursday, November 4, 2021 (2021) from 10:30 to 12:00
  • Location: Online
  • Agenda:
    1. Opening
    2. Proceedings
      1. Status of examination by theme
      2. New prioritization in planning Policies and Composition
      3. Public Comment
    3. Adjournment

Materials

References

*Based on the discussion at the Second digital society Concept Conference, an additional note was added to some materials (November 17, 2021 (2021)).

Minutes

Secretariat: , thank you very much for taking the time to come here today. As it is on time, we will be holding the "digital society Concept Conference" from now.

I would like to start with an announcement from the Secretariat.

Today's meeting will be held online. Please note that there is a round microphone in front of everyone in the meeting room, and the microphone is always turned on in white.

In addition, based on the guidelines for the operation of this meeting, we will hold today's meeting in a form that will be disclosed to the press in real time after confirmation by Chairman Murai. I would like to report on the fact that press officials who wished to attend the meeting are attending the meeting online.

Thank you very much, Mr. Murai.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, . Thank you for coming despite your busy schedule.

Today, Mr. Hirai is in this conference room as a member. I heard online that 10 members will attend, and all 12 members are scheduled to attend. Mr. Mikitani seems to have restrictions on the time he can enter and leave, but he will attend as much as he can.

From Digital Agency, Mr. Makishima, Senior Vice-Minister for Foreign Affairs, Mr. Kobayashi, and Mr. Yamada, Parliamentary Vice-Minister for Foreign Affairs, are

First of all, I would like to receive greetings from Minister for Digital Transformation Makishima.

Minister, nice to meet you.

Makishima Minister for Digital Transformation: Thank you for your continued support.

Today, I would like to thank all of you for taking the time out of your busy schedule to attend the second meeting of the digital society Concept Conference.

I, Parliamentary Senior Vice-Minister for Foreign Affairs Kobayashi and Parliamentary Vice-Minister Yamada, will be in charge of not only the digital field but also regulatory reform and administrative reform. I believe that this has great significance. We must advance digital reform, regulatory reform and administrative reform in an integrated manner. By doing so, we will fulfill our mission to deliver the benefits of reform to the people of Japan and to do so at a faster pace, with the issue of how to realize our mission of "a people-friendly digitalization that leaves no one behind." I would appreciate your guidance.

Once again, you have pointed out that digitalization is lagging behind due to the novel coronavirus. I believe that the question is how Japanese society as a whole should be. How can we catch up with digitalization? We will build a digital society that is comparable to the rest of the world by receiving wisdom not only from the public sector but also from the private sector. I think we need to take on the challenge of how much we can improve our ranking from IMD 28th (2021).

To that end, I will thoroughly identify the Issue that is causing bottlenecks, including the parts that are not appropriate for digital society, laws, systems, and customs. On that basis, I will review regulation on a risk basis and a goal basis, and create environments suitable for the digital age. With that in mind, I would like to report that we will launch "Digital Extraordinary Administrative Advisory Committee" as soon as possible and proceed with consideration, as instructed by the Prime Minister.

In addition, some people still say that "digital" feels "cold," but we will also work to make people feel warm through digital. In that sense, the Kishida Cabinet has clearly stated that it will realize "Vision for a Digital Garden City Nation," and many people feel hope that this will overcome the social Issue such as declining birthrate and aging population, the problem of the disparity between rural and urban areas, and the problem of the digital divide. I would also like to report that "Conference on the Realization of the Digital Garden City Nation Vision" is scheduled to be launched in the near future in order to specifically show a society in which everyone can receive the benefits of digital anytime, anywhere.

There are several conferences like this, but I believe that the "digital society Concept Conference" will be a guidepost for advancing such concepts and policies. I would like to ask you to discuss "digital society as it should be."

At the first meeting held under the leadership of former Foreign Minister Hirai, you made a proposal on "How should this country be changed by digital technologies?" After the meeting, I heard that you separately discussed six issues: "Growth Strategy (Data-driven Society)," "International Strategy," "Securing and Developing Digital Human Resources," "semi-public sector, including medical care, education, and disaster risk management," "Revitalization of area," and "digital society and Public Participation, Leaving No One Behind." I would like to express my deep gratitude for your cooperation.

The content of the discussions at the plenary session will be conveyed to the two conferences I mentioned earlier, and at the same time, it will be reflected in the "New Priority plan" to be formulated by the end of this year.

I believe that the New Priority plan will receive very high attention. Until now, there may have been few cases in which the Japanese people have thoroughly read such a plan issued by the government, but I believe that the New Priority plan will be read by the Japanese people, and I would like to create something that will convince the Japanese people that digital society will be like this.

In that sense, from the perspective of the people and the users, how we can show the social implementation that shows what we are aware of is the image of New Priority plan as a new form. If that is the case, I think that interest in semi-public sector will increase. Of course, we must drastically reform public service. Also, how we can grasp the whole industry and issue a message as a growth strategy will be recognized in New Priority plan, and I think that we will also write about global strategies such as DFFT.

Today, we would like to hear your opinions from a broad perspective on the realization of "Ideal digital society." Thank you very much.

That's all from me.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Makishima.

Then, if you are in the press, please leave the room. You can come online, but we ask you to leave this room. Thank you.

(Departure of Press Personnel)

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Now, I would like to begin the proceedings.

As you just mentioned, there are six areas, and I heard that the members spent a considerable amount of time in meetings and so on. I will report to you later, but before that, I would like the Secretariat to explain the whole situation.

Secretariat: Please refer to Document 1. As you mentioned earlier, I have selected six themes from the themes freely proposed by the members of the first meeting.

Between the first and second meetings, we had each member deepen their discussions at remote meetings, etc., and each chief examiner organized their opinions, etc.

That's all for the introduction of the materials.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.

Then, I would like you to gather several times before and after the first Structural Meeting and report the results of the discussion from the chief investigator of each theme.

As you stated, the first and second sections of the New Priority plan Plan will be structured as guideposts, and it is expected that the proposal will lead to the purpose of the first section.

I have been involved in IT policy for 20 years, and during that time, I often talk about how Digital Agency was created by being able to receive all the high balls that I had been throwing. In that sense, I asked you to explain the results of the discussion from the perspective of an expert so that it would be a new Priority plan in the true sense, not an extension of the previous one.

First of all, Mr. Itoh, may I speak to "International Strategy"? Please give me no more than five minutes.

Mr. Itoh: It is the same as the presentation by Thank you very much. I'm Ito.

The members shown here, as well as Mr. Zama and Mr. Saka from Digital Agency, helped us a lot, and we compiled the results from the members in the first round. As you can see here, the Digi-cho side conducted various hearings, and I also talked with other members individually.

Broadly speaking, DFFT is discussed in many different places, but when I talk with various members and the Digi-cho, I think that Trust will be built to increase trust, so Trust Building is particularly important internationally, and I think it will flow into DFFT as one major pillar.

In addition, open standards have been discussed a long time ago, but there are discussions on how to think about and create them in more detail, and there is also talk about the need for more international collaboration. Fourth, there are other related issues, such as equal footing, which is the opinion of Mr. Mikitani, and regulation is applied only to domestic companies and not to companies from overseas. There are various other issues. There are also some slides, but I would like you to make a presentation, and I would like other members to make any comments.

Zama International Strategy Supervisor: . I'm Zama, International Strategy Supervisor.

First of all, as you can see in the first slide, it is a response to what is required as an international standard or a global standard, although it has not been standardized yet.

International standards are often mentioned as a keyword, but if we consider them separately, as DFFT mentioned earlier, there are three main points. One is to lead the standardization, and the other is to respond to and comply with international standards. The other is to respond to matters that are not standardized but are common from an international perspective or that require response.

That's all for this paper.

Mr. Itoh: It is the same as the presentation by I'd like to do this quickly once and add your comments if you have any.

Non-governmental and non-commercial protocols and international standards, such as HTML and TCP/IP, which are used on a daily basis, are not actually government-led standardization systems or company-centered systems. When countries take the lead, they tend to be ITU - or government-led or industry-led protocols. However, on the Internet, there are actually many non-governmental protocols, and surprisingly, there are cases where such protocols are not properly investigated, so we decided to include them.

In addition, there are global standards, especially in security and privacy. What we are trying to do now is the same as what has been done in other countries. For example, there are My Number and National ID. While participating in the latest information and standards, there are many new things to be created come from behind, so I would like to work on global standards.

Zama International Strategy Supervisor: , I would like to ask you to take the next slide.

This article is written in the framework of international cooperation and collaboration. First, it is important to improve information dissemination and transparency, and to actively disseminate information, or to properly create and operate such a forum.

The second is Digital Agency in other countries. This is stated to make it easier to understand, but we will work with organizations equivalent to it, such as cybersecurity, which you mentioned earlier, with a reliable partner. And the third is to conduct preliminary surveys of similar projects.

Third, there was an argument that support for other countries, which has rarely been mentioned in the international context, should also be included.

I will return it to the Ito member.

Mr. Itoh: It is the same as the presentation by , I think it is easy to understand that everything around here is connected to Trust. In fact, English is easier than Japanese, so I think there is a personal bias. For example, it is very negative for Trust that the website and materials are not in English. As long as the Digi-cho says globalization and international standards, it is important to make the materials and website all in English, including the Trust Building, and for collaboration.

If you go to international conferences, there have been a lot of Japanese presentations in Davos recently. In particular, there are some presentations on digital government and open standards, but they are few for the size of the country, so I think these are very important. Language is a barrier to academic collaboration, so how to do this? Of course, I think it will be connected to human resources.

Looking at some overseas DigiAgencies, when proposing a new project, it is a principle that the new project should be launched after properly showing whether or not there is no other project, including open source, and why it is necessary to create a new project by ourselves. In that sense, I think this is related to procurement.

However, I believe that International Strategy will be a very important point, even if it is not only international, if we make it a policy, for example, that we will work on new ones after properly discussing whether there is no other than Japanese ones, and if there is open source, we will preferentially select it.

To support other countries, of course, there are many places like the Trust Building, but as far as I have researched, Bangladesh and India, for example, which are being built in the future, are quite advanced, and I think there are many places where we can learn. So even if we thought that we were supporting them, I think there are many cases where we can learn.

Zama International Strategy Supervisor: This is the last slide.

Although I am writing in the form of others, in the context of international and digital, there are actually various themes, and as I said in the middle, in terms of human resources, in addition to training and learning, how will we utilize overseas human resources and foreign human resources?

Then, there was a discussion on the issue of equal footing, which you mentioned at the beginning, the cost of responding to regulation, digital GDP, and finally, happiness and well-being.

Mr. Itoh: It is the same as the presentation by In particular, I believe that the issue of global human resources has been discussed a lot, including by Mr. Mikitani, and will be discussed in the future. If there are any comments from other members, may I ask you to make them at the end?

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, .

Then, Member of the National Territory, please tell us the theme of "Developing and Securing Digital Human Resources".

Member of the National Territory: Thank you for your various comments on . I think it's only audio, but I'm afraid I need your help.

Thank you very much for the input from Mr. Ikeda, Mr. Ito, Mr. Mikitani, and many others.

I thought this topic was a big topic at the last Concept Conference. It was about human resources.

The first point is that it is extremely important to unify the recognition of the magnitude of this problem and that this is a decisive problem, and to take concrete action by urging each ministry and agency while Digital Agency takes the initiative. At that time, we must take both urgent measures and medium - to long-term development. We should send a strong message of a sense of crisis about this. This is the first point. Among them, I have included the most important points from (1).

First of all, it is necessary to properly recognize how Japan is lagging behind while making international comparisons.

Second, in the development of the system, the nature of IT in the system is changing. We need to development human resources who have seen the reality of new IT. We should be aware of the specific number of people and which part is not enough.

The third is to recognize that system development cannot be done in this world without international cooperation, and aim for cutting-edge skills at the global level with an English-based development project in mind. English education is already essential. In this context, American companies are engaged in human resource development and branding together. We should take this as a reference.

The fourth is that the enhancement of practical IT and English curricula at education institutions such as universities and technical colleges and their reflection in entrance examinations, which have been talked about for a long time, must be done properly. Also, it is important to support the mobility of human resources through recurrent education.

Fifth, domestic IT human resources are of course important, but in light of the urgency and the fact that they are among the best in the world, we should actively utilize foreign human resources.

The sixth point is that there are deep-rooted conservative views of parents and others, but we must make efforts to change these things.

Seventh, as Commissioner Ito mentioned in the previous meeting, we should create a system that can make use of diverse human resources.

After 2nd point, I have listed what I believe to be important in Tool Structure Theory, but programming education and literacy education in primary and secondary education.

Based on the idea of creating career paths properly, the three posts need to develop environments in which human resources can advance their careers by moving back and forth between private sector, local governments, and the government while enhancing and utilizing skill standards and reforming business models.

The fourth point is that Digital Agency itself should be a practitioner who actively utilizes external resources and promotes the mobility of human resources. In this context, the review of the national civil service system should be carried out without running away.

The fifth, which is continuous with that, is to create a cooperation system with external organization and external digital human resources.

Sixth, although it may be slightly different from the field of human resources, one of the root causes of the shortage of human resources is, for example, the development of similar applications in local government and organization. As a result of the vertical division, many organization are development similar functions redundantly. In light of the current situation, which is accelerating the serious shortage of human resources and delaying the speed of development, government procurement software should be open sourced and shared without exception. When compiling a budget, it is important to provide open source software, check the status and schedule, and make effective use of the insufficient human resources.

That's all.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.

Next, under the item of "Growth Strategy (Data-driven Society)," Mr. Natsuno, please.

Natsuno Member: It is "Growth Strategy".

First of all, I think it is important to completely advocate the idea of "becoming a digital-first society." In a digital-first society, there are many cases where it has not been digital-first even if various things have been done in regulatory reform and so on, so I think it is important how to create a form in which digital is the rule and analog is the support, rather than responding to digital. It would be good if we could build a completely new society based on the premise that everything will be done digitally. At that time, it is important to create new services without being aware of backward compatibility.

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What is very important is that the use of My Number in private sector has been prohibited in a sense until now, but if we do not start working on this, it will become a serious problem in the future.

Since the 2000s, there has been a lot of awareness that resident cards and My Numbers are very scary, in various ways, such as the problem of personal data. Recently, however, I think that the number of people who are quite aware of the fact that information beyond the My Number, such as GAFA, has already been collected, is increasing. Therefore, we should not avoid discussing the expansion of the use of the My Number in private sector, and should tackle it head-on.

However, at that time, there was an opinion that the physical My Number Card that the government is currently promoting and the expansion of the use of My Number should be separated. In the future, we need to promote how to easily authenticate individuals, including facial recognition, or we will be far from a data-driven society.

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As a digital platform, RESAS, which has already been implemented by the Cabinet Office, has a considerable amount of information aggregated, and is in a form that can be used by all local local government. Therefore, it would be better to make further efforts to make the most of RESAS. In some cases, RESAS itself may become the platform of the data-driven society that Digi-Agency is aiming for, so I think it would be good for Digi-Agency to take over RESAS itself. There was an opinion that it would be very good if in the future, at the same time as open data can be created, a so-called standardization organization such as NIST can be created.

In addition, I believe that Digital Legislation Bureau is being slightly discussed, but isn't this necessary? In other words, if there is no organization to check whether all bills contain factors that hinder digitalization, there is a possibility that bills submitted by individual ministries and agencies will contain bills that are not compatible with digital technologies, and I think it is extremely difficult to correct them at the ministry and agency level, so some people said that a mechanism like Digital Legislation Bureau is necessary.

Please take the next page.

Finally, I think we need the concept of an architecture and a country. In other words, after the country creates the architecture properly, why don't we talk about opening the API so that private sector can use it? For example, I think it is necessary for a local public authorities to open the API to some extent so that administrative procedures can be handled by banks and portal sites.

There is an opinion that if we proceed with this, there will be no jobs for local vendors in particular, but there was an opinion that new jobs will definitely be created in such a situation.

That's all.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.

Then, Mr. Koshizuka, may I speak to "semi-public sector of medical care, education, disaster risk management, etc."?

Koshizuka Member: .

As a committee member, Mr. Ota and Mr. Kawabe and I have worked very hard, and Mr. Yahagi, Mr. Murakami and Mr. Yokota have also been very helpful at the Digi-cho, so I was able to organize this meeting.

After the Secretariat prepared some materials in October, we held a meeting on the 2nd and compiled the results. At present, there are still discussions in the first half, so we are focusing on issues and advancing discussions in a divergent direction, but going forward, I would like to advance discussions by shifting the emphasis to the method of presentation and concept.

Semi-public sector is in the fields of education, disaster risk management, and medical care this time, as well as mobility and welfare, I think. In a sense, it is a field that is directly and closely related to our lives even though it is under the jurisdiction of the Digi-cho. That is why private sector is included in semi-public sector, and what was mentioned in the discussion is "quasi." In fact, I think it is quite important. semi-public sector is neither public nor private. In a sense, it is good if we can get the best of both worlds. On the contrary, if we get the worst of both worlds, it will not work.

The key point at that time is that in semi-public sector, inevitably, there will be many players of different types, public and private, so cooperation is exactly important, and there is a wall between players, a wall between public and private in semi-public sector, a wall between local and central, and a wall between various fields. Break down these walls.

Another important point is that, although it is difficult to put it this way, there have been many discussions about the position of the wall, for example, the roles of the government and the private sector and the roles of the local government and the central government, which were decided before the digitalization, and when they are digitalization, the way they are decided will be quite Issue. In some cases, the same thing will be done in various places, and as Professor Kokuryo mentioned earlier, such things will become apparent.

What I have just mentioned briefly is, first of all, the characteristics of semi-public sector and Issue. In a sense, private sector is coming in, and by actively doing so, we can provide highly public services, but they are also deeply related to our lives. The more data is used, the more personalized services can be provided from the perspective of the people.

At that time, I mentioned the breaking down of barriers and cooperation. In fact, it is important to consider what kind of services will be provided, but it is extremely important to consider what kind of implementation methods will be used, what kind of back-end will be used, and what kind of platform and technology will be used.

There are three points below, but one is that it is extremely important to promote the provision and sharing of data across fields. As stated in the second part, there are walls that are divided and managed by semi-public sector, and such data and service rules should not hinder the demonstration of the economies of scale of digital service provision in semi-public sector. In addition, based on the purpose of private sector, I believe it is necessary to have principles that the Okinawa side should observe when utilizing data.

For example, in semi-public sector, the utilization of data owned by the government and local government itself is advanced through open data, but in fact, the Japanese government is small and private sector is responsible for many public services. Therefore, semi-public sector is also a large field. In that case, data that is highly beneficial to the public is left as corporate intellectual property, which also hinders the utilization, so we need to step into such areas.

Please do the following.

There are three basic response policies that should be considered in detail. We should make it possible for private sector to actively use public data. Public data is not only data owned by the country or local government, but it is also important to have a mechanism that can actively use public data owned by private sector.

The second point is that the relationship between local and national governments, which is one of the walls mentioned earlier, is related to the Home Rule Act and other matters in the first place, but it is a relationship created before the digital era. It has become a major bottleneck, and it needs to be reviewed.

As I have stated many times, it is an area in which various walls and various players are participating, but it is extremely important to promote cooperation across various fields, and doing so will have an effect.

Please do the following.

We are also advancing discussions on more specific directions. By advancing such discussions, first of all, in semi-public sector, there are parts that are gradually becoming fixed and rigid. Rather, it will be very important to revitalize semi-public sector by utilizing data and breaking down barriers.

In such a situation, as I stated earlier, it is extremely important to develop and secure human resources who will play a leading role. We are currently discussing that it is necessary to advance services that are closely linked to the perspective of the people, in synergy with the recent administration of Prime Minister Vision for a Digital Garden City Nation, as you stated earlier.

That's all.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.

Then, I would like to ask you to "revitalize area."

Member: This is Ikeda . Nice to meet you.

In the Group, members Noda, Hirai, and Wakamiya expressed their opinions. Thank you very much. I would also like to express my gratitude to Director General Shinohara and the people of Digital Agency.

Now, I would like to explain about the revitalization of area. As stated in the title, Vision for a Digital Garden City Nation is what the current government is advocating, and digital reform is from the countryside, so of course, we are organizing our thoughts based on this. There are 1 to 6, and in this way, we are organizing the formation of a distributed society, digital government, networking, area creation, Issue, and steps.

Please do the following.

First of all, regarding the formation of a distributed regional society, we have organized it into four parts: the formation of a distributed regional national land, reverse urbanization, remote work, and distributed regional Digital infrastructure. In terms of what we will do, for example, if we are to create a distributed regional area, we will eliminate the digital divide and the disparities between the regions. Here, we have described our efforts to advance this. At the bottom, in order to advance this, we are creating a new "Issue Fund for the Promotion of a Digital Garden City State" in the digital implementation, which is promoted from the regions.

Please do the following.

The second is digital government and the third is the networking of human resources and area Issue. This is organized in area Issue from the perspective of the administration and the perspective of the residents.

With regard to administration, since it is the digitalization of local governments, standardization and other matters are described here in order to aim for a society that is not aware of administrative procedures. In addition, it is local governments's collaborative Issue solution, and it is of course area of public organizations, but it is at the bottom, and in short, it is connected by such a network, so even though area is away, it is possible to build a platform on a Issue basis in area.

In addition, speaking from the residents' side, we have received opinions from Mr. Wakamiya and others on the solution and proposal of the area Issue by the residents. We will openly communicate the Issue of area and encourage proposals and co-creation. In addition, Mr. Noda has been discussing the initiatives of Digital × Decarbonization and Circular Economy.

The following is about sharing ideas in area, and we have received proposals for the formation of an idea market through the horizontal development and expansion of ideas.

Please do the following.

The fourth is the dramatic promotion of area creation by digitalization. There are parts that are exactly consistent with the field of semi-public sector that we discussed earlier. area Companies and Primary Industries, area disaster risk management and welfare, area Environments, Online education, online medical consultation and Prescription are included here. disaster risk management, education, medical care and Medical treatment are included here.

Each of them has a direction. For example, in the case of the primary industry, support for digitalization will be provided in the wake of the generational change. This is an idea that was recently expressed by Mr. Ohta, and I have included such an idea here.

In area Environmental, we have included the opinions of Mr. Noda on the combination of digital transformation and green transformation.

In terms of education, medical care, and medical care, I think that securing digital human resources will naturally be related to the discussion in the human resources field earlier.

Please do the following.

As for Issue, it is not limited to the area of the revitalization of area. As discussed by Mr. Hirai and others, Issue should be clearly described. Therefore, it is described here as a whole, not only from the perspective of the revitalization of area.

It is summarized in terms of an unbiased and fair digital society, a budget system for digital investment, and responses to the business shift. At the top, there was an opinion that we should write about Internet defamation, human rights violations, and other recent and flagrant issues.

With regard to the budget system, for example, it is difficult to build a system that extends over more than one fiscal year. Since this is an annual budget, we would like to firmly establish such a system. As a proposal, there was discussion that we should consider, for example, the establishment of a fund that can be invested in multiple fiscal years.

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Finally, as steps toward a digital garden city state, I have listed and organized the items here. At present, we are in the stage of promoting measures, the stage of twenty twenty-five is the stage of completion of the foundation, and fiscal 2030 is the stage of maturity, so for the time being, we are organizing the steps as a standard.

In each of them, it is stated that it is the implementation and awareness raising of digital usage support personnel. It is written that 31 main procedures can be processed from Mynaportal. In twenty twenty-five, it is written that the last mile problem throughout the country, the problem of mobile phone-insensitive areas, and the unification and standardization of basic local government such as core business systems have been implemented. In fiscal 2030, as we are in the mature stage, we have organized the steps as a guideline, such as the realization of a society that is not aware of administrative procedures, the progress of reverse urbanization, and the realization of a human-centered digital garden city-state.

That's all for the revitalization of area. Thank you very much.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.

Next, I would like to speak to Mr. Ohta, a member of "digitalization Leaving No One Behind, Public Participation."

Member: My name is Ohta .

In addition to the members on the cover, this group has been discussing this theme with accessibility experts. Today, as we are finishing the first half of the game, I would like to share the basic concept of this theme and the major directions based on this concept, including some points that are a bit half-cooked but are still troubled.

Please take the next page.

I tried to put into words the basic idea of this theme. There are three points. The first is that if we put into words a digitalization that does not leave anyone behind, we will enjoy the benefits of digitalization regardless of disability, age, income, area, nationality, etc., and we will create a society in which not only Issue solutions but also affluence can be felt, and we will implement it over a time frame.

The second point is the recognition that I would like to share. One of the points that I discussed as being particularly important is that I would like to have the recognition that this will not only solve the problems of disabled people and their unique Issue, but also that this will be a broader issue, and that various innovations, not to mention the frailty of the elderly, will be born from this and will spread to the general public.

The second important point is that I would like to share the recognition that we do not aim for everyone to be able to use digital in a fair manner, but that we would like to issue policies in a more effective manner, for example, to ensure freedom of choice for those who do not want to use digital.

The third is at the bottom. In the case of this theme, there are countless ideas that would be good to do, but unless we can measure how society and the economy will change as a result of doing this, we will not be able to make progress. Therefore, we would like to take the lead in this field, which is called EBPM in English.

On the next page, I will explain what the specific policy is based on that concept.

There are two main ones, and the last one is to do it with other groups.

The first is that we want to make digital devices and services available according to various individual characteristics. At that time, I would like to repeat that, but I will do so while paying attention not to everyone's fairness, but to securing the right choice not to use them.

The second is the opposite. Then, if we can use it, it is not only that, but also the negative impact of using it. The negative impact of digital technology has been visible not only in Japan but also around the world over the past 10 years, so we would like to aim to use it with peace of mind.

I will explain the specific story from the next page.

There are three ways to provide detailed responses based on the various characteristics of each individual. The first is to start with the disabled and the elderly. As I said earlier, I would like to work on the idea that innovation will spread more widely throughout the people.

Third, on the supplier side, although it has not yet taken root in the Japanese market, we will properly establish a system and conditions to enable service design operations.

I will tell you a little more specific story next.

This is about accessibility for people with disabilities. As it is written in various ways, we would like to work on a wide range of areas, including people with intellectual disabilities. In addition to solving Issue, we would like to show how society will change in the future, such as employment support. In addition, we would like to work on general-purpose devices, not just specialized devices that are often used.

The most controversial point is the bottom one. Although this topic has been included in the Guidelines, it is not effective enough. How can we make it effective? For example, we should consider a new information accessibility law. Various discussions are taking place now, but I would like to make an announcement today.

Please do the following.

In terms of the elderly, there are slightly different layers, and in terms of how to provide effective support, there are various demonstration projects in the country, but there is a point where it is not enough to provide support, and we are discussing what kind of support can be used by those who want to use it, including those who do not recognize that they want to use it.

Please do the following.

The last is service design. This overlaps with the guarantee of effectiveness I mentioned earlier. First of all, as the fourth point, Digital Agency should set an example, but in order to be truly effective, service design should have a system as a matter of course in the administration. In addition, not only Digital Agency, but the entire government, including local government, should include service design in the requirements for procurement, and accessibility should be guaranteed. This is what has been a hot debate.

Please do the following.

This time, it is the other way around. It is about whether we should be able to use it. We want to minimize the negative impact. It is about defamation, division, and the negative impact on children. The discussion here is about whether it is good to prohibit or restrict it unnecessarily. It is known that prohibition or restriction cannot necessarily minimize the negative impact, including overseas. Therefore, the third point is DQ, Digital Intelligence. We will make it including education.

Now, there is an international way of thinking about this. It is almost average in Japan, but in particular, where we are weak, DQ at the education site is lagging behind. We are banning or limiting it unnecessarily, and it is not very effective. Therefore, we are discussing whether we want to do something that is effective.

It's the last.

This team is dealing with quite a wide range of topics. We are currently discussing the disparity in income, in particular, the environmental situation at home, where each elementary and junior high school student has a car in education, how foreign nationals can respond to critical situations in the event of disasters, and regional disparities, which was Team 5 earlier. We are also discussing the direction that we would like to take as a team.

That's all.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.

Now that the first round is over, I have a little less than 30 minutes left, so I would like to hear your opinions on each theme.

The topic of English has become quite severe both in International Strategy and in digital human resources. What exactly should we do?

Senior Vice-Minister for Digital Affairs Kobayashi: Is it okay to continue the whole project with the same momentum as ?

In terms of international relations, as I mentioned earlier, regarding multilingualism, I think the only thing that can be covered by the budget is to make the website multilingual, and to select important materials and make them multilingual in Digital Agency as soon as possible.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Can you make English translation mandatory? Online documents must be in English. Can you do that?

Makishima Minister for Digital Transformation: Whether there is such a thing as where to draw a line.

Senior Vice-Minister for Digital Affairs Kobayashi: Is it okay to continue the whole project with the same momentum as I will consider it, but I will do my best to make it public.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, One way to do this is to make Japanese materials and then translate them, so it costs a lot, so I would like you to think about a different way. If you can say it on your own, I think it would be fine if you could confirm whether or not you can speak English at the time of employment in the first place, but what is the percentage of employees who can speak English among those currently employed? Is it possible to subsidize the study of English by yourself? If the employees study English by themselves, I would like you to provide them with an allowance for that, praise those who have worked hard, and so on, so that everyone who is working now can discuss in English to some extent.

Senior Vice-Minister for Digital Affairs Kobayashi: Is it okay to continue the whole project with the same momentum as I believe that this will be handled by the Digital Policy Consultation, but there have been very few incentives for employees to improve their skills, so I would like to advance not only in English but also in various skills.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.

Senior Vice-Minister for Digital Affairs Kobayashi: Is it okay to continue the whole project with the same momentum as ?

I think we need to share which layer we will discuss. I believe that the discussions at the digital society Concept Conference should be at the level of reforming Japanese infrastructure, like the National Comprehensive development Plan at the time. To that end, we are creating a place to reform the large social structure of Digital Extraordinary Administrative Advisory Committee.

In terms of human resources, for example, as I mentioned earlier, we need to replace the entire content and infrastructure, such as vocational training and retraining that Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare is doing.

Currently, there are universities and even technical colleges, but technical high schools are quite old when you go to area. But that is where digital human resources are supposed to be based. Speaking of Issue Kin earlier, I think it is necessary to do this on the condition that we use it properly to rebuild a proper infrastructure, not just because we can use it for anything.

In addition, another point is that it is better to think about solving problems with multiple functions, rather than one policy for one Issue. In the last part, "I will not leave anyone behind," I would like to see people be able to use the Internet, even though there are risks due to the Internet. In that case, as I have been talking with Mr. Murai a lot, it is ideal for grandparents to be taught by grandchildren. While elementary school students, junior high school students, and high school students are teaching elderly people, they are also learning literacy, and grandparents are learning digital and creating connections between generations. I think it is more effective and cheaper to think about making Issue solutions multifunctional as much as possible.

Another thing I would like to talk to Governor Hirai is whether infrastructure alone is enough to return human resources to rural areas. Entertainment and interesting places to live are always necessary. That is why Governor Hirai uses such a lot of puns to create an atmosphere. As a person living in rural areas, I think so overwhelmingly.

At that time, public spaces such as community centers and exchange centers in area were so analog that there would always be only elderly people. On the other hand, children were wandering around the place where they studied, and it was like they were studying at a family restaurant. The infrastructure was also rebuilt.

At that time, we are also in charge of PFI, so we can use PFI to do digitalization with the wisdom of private sector, reservations public spaces online as a matter of course, and unlock them with smartphones. By rebuilding this kind of visible infrastructure, we will change the consciousness of all Japanese people and move their lifestyles. I would like to have a discussion on this big initiative, so I would like to ask for your support.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.

You said you wanted us to think about digital policy with the intention of remodeling the Japanese archipelago, but is there anything else in International Strategy?

Mr. Ito, please.

Mr. Itoh: It is the same as the presentation by Kokusai and Mr. Natsuno earlier, but I wanted to include it in the My Number discussion. As Mr. Natsuno said, I think it is very important that the spread of the My Number will make it more convenient. What I wanted to include in the privacy discussion was that the social security number has been spreading in the U.S. since 1936, and the number of cases of theft in personal data has increased significantly in 2007. Therefore, the U.S. government has created a task force and has been trying to reduce the use of the social security number since 2008. The federal government says not to use the social security number if it is not necessary, and private sector, medical, and schools say not to use it as much as possible. It has been said from within the U.S. government that the use of the social personal data number in various places has made the damage of theft in Tokyo worse.

As I recall, it has been implemented in the ROK since quite a long time ago, and I think that there is a lot of evidence and learning by using numbers in other countries, and I think that there is a lot of learning about privacy technology and how to use numbers properly in trusted places internationally, so I would like to connect the International Strategy part with the My Number story.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.

Now, focus on the next talent, or anywhere else.

Mr. Yamada, Parliamentary Vice-Minister for Digital:

First of all, what I really feel about international affairs is that the government doesn't know much about foreign countries and has too little experience. I have been the head of a foreign company and have worked overseas for a long time, but it can't be helped if we don't have such people, and the embassy should have a function to investigate at the attaché, so I think the government should cooperate in that way.

In benchmarking, it is the best strategy to first imitate excellent products, as is the case in other countries and Japan. I think the main strategy is to create unique products that go beyond that. In terms of human resources, education is also important, but if we do not actively invite people who have experience in such foreign countries, I think it will be difficult to achieve education alone.

In addition, when it comes to International Strategy, we always ask only about individuals' study abroad and experience. There are many issues of organization between organization. For example, I was working at a foreign-affiliated company, and I think that we should learn about the processes of an international company or the management method. For example, there is a methodology, and in a foreign-affiliated company, even if many foreigners enter the company, the standards are observed, so the method is quite ingenious. It is internationalization itself, and if many international people enter the company, it is not internationalization, but operation. In that sense, the operation methods of foreign countries are the same, and the United States is a multi-ethnic country, so I think that we need to look at the internationalization of organization as a whole.

In the area of human resources, the very nature of universities and technical colleges, especially the position of technical colleges in the world, is very weak. I don't know what a technical college is, it's unique to Japan. But I think it is true that this is supporting.

The company I ran had a large number of technical college students in some cases, and I have been a teacher at a university for 14 years, but it is virtually impossible to increase or decrease the number of students in the department of digital and electronics.

In terms of what kind of human resources we want to create in the actual operation, we will review the number of students and the curriculum more in line with the needs of the institution and society in the education. There are still many schools that have been doing the same curriculum for more than 10 years, and I think the direction of this reform is to fundamentally intervene to that extent. I would like to have suggestions including such things.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.

I will give up going in order by theme. Anywhere is fine. What I think I should be careful about in the talk about technical high schools and technical colleges earlier is that I don't think it is digital society to stop at saying that it is industrial because it is digital. There are technical high schools, commercial high schools, and agricultural high schools. So, it may be effective to promote cooperation among the three high schools through the sixth level high school system.

Wakamiya-san, please.

Wakamiya Member: This is Wakamiya.

What I want to ask is, first of all, there is a tendency to focus on things like digital usage support staff. Basically, people don't understand why they need a My Number Card or what a Mynaportal is for. Even if they get a My Number Card, they tend to put it in a chest and lock it.

The other point is that it is also free to not use digital. It is true, but I think there are people who do not use digital because they do not understand the disadvantages of not using digital, and people who do not use digital because they know it well. It is necessary to inform people who do not understand the disadvantages. I believe that public relations activities in Digital Agency will play an extremely important part in the future. I would appreciate if you could think about that point.

That's all.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.

Noda-san, please.

Member: Thank you, Thank you very much.

As I believe you are Senior Vice-Minister for Foreign Affairs, you are absolutely right. I believe that the biggest goal is how to transform Japan using digital technologies. As Chief Researcher Ikeda explained in the section on regional revitalization, I believe that the biggest goal is how to realize decentralization digitally.

Due to the novel coronavirus, digitalization has made some progress, and for the first time, it has started to move in the direction of resolving its concentration, and it has become a net outflow. I think this is a really big opportunity. Until now, we have been calling for regional revitalization, but it has not been realized. I think it is largely because there were no jobs in the countryside. I think it is very important to create real jobs in the countryside using digital, to create innovation, and to encourage startups and entrepreneurship.

From that point of view, we will openly tell the citizens what local Issue is and what kind of social Issue there is in the countryside. Looking at it, young people will use digital tools to solve Issue. This will lead to entrepreneurship. And an ecosystem rooted in area will be created.

So, local government has not been able to trust the people and publish it, but based on the successful cases in Formosa, I think it is important to firmly create a flow in which the government trusts the people and local government trusts the people, shares data openly and transparently, finds seeds from it, and creates startups.

At that time, the budget was also included in the explanation. It is extremely slow to make a single fiscal year budget. When we make a major change, it is difficult to make a multi-fiscal year budget and do anything with Issue Kinko. However, it does not mean that anything is fine. When we make a project like this to solve Issue, initial investment is necessary for digital at that time, and initial investment cannot be made if we make a single fiscal year budget. Therefore, we are caught in a vicious cycle. Therefore, you mentioned regulatory reform, and I think it is important to advance a mechanism to encourage the creation of businesses that solve social Issue while making initial investment and digital investment in a budget that is set in units of four to five years. This is a mechanism that will be promoted together with regulatory reform.

That's all.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.

Kawabe-san, please.

Kawabe Member: Hello, .

When I saw all the topics, including the topics I participated in, today, I felt very keenly that cooperation with private sector is more important than with other ministries and agencies. In many cases, Digital Agency has more advanced private sector and technology, so I understand that digitalization should be utilized well.

In doing so, the point of contact between the government and private sector will probably be the use of My Number Card, Mynaportal, or API. Of course, as Mr. Joi Ito said, I understand that cooperation will be based on consideration for security.

In addition, as I discussed in semi-public sector, I thought from a bird' s-eye view that companies that play roles in semi-public sector should be willing to request open data.

I believe that Digital Agency should take the lead in encouraging semi-public sector companies to cooperate in advance, because I have learned from the novel coronavirus that if we do not talk on a regular basis and conclude agreements on a regular basis, we will not be able to function in an emergency.

So far, it can be said in terms of idealism, but when you actually try to do this, it is always the sectionalism of government agencies and regulation by law that will be harmful. These two, which I have been doing in semi-public sector for many years at Yahoo Japan, will always be Issue.

Therefore, I thought that it would be important for Digital Agency to make adjustments across vertical divisions to unify them, and that laws that are not suitable for digital technologies should be changed, and that Digital Legislation Bureau's consideration should be given in advance to the laws that will come out in the future.

That's all for your comments and suggestions.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.

Kuniryo-san, please.

Member of the National Territory: Thank you for your various comments on Jinzai.

While reflecting on the part that the expression was a little weak or the scope was too limited and narrow, we have put in a lot of initial steps this time, so I would like to input while fleshing out this with the Secretariat.

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Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, .

Ota-san, please.

Member: My name is Ohta .

As Mr. Ito and Mr. Kokuryo mentioned earlier, I think it would be good for Parliamentary Senior Vice-Minister for Foreign Affairs Kobayashi to propose the principle of open source.

This is redundant, but of course, it is premised on being international and global, and GitHub already has 30 million engineers, so it can deal with human resources, and when we actually try to do smart cities in local areas, vendors don't come anymore.

It is a problem of disparity with area, and it can be eliminated. In addition, it is a feature of open source that citizens often enter the loop of development, so it can eliminate anxiety that their own data is used without understanding and algorithm bias. In addition, last year, Code for Japan created a website for measures against the novel coronavirus in Tokyo, and 400 people participated. Since various people participate, it is naturally easy to use Japanese, and Ms. Audrey Tan also participated, it is multilingual, so it can respond to diversity. Although many people in the current administration are not familiar with open source, I hope it will be a major pillar of the movement.

That's all.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, 's place, there were discussions about negative effects and giving people the freedom not to use digital. When I talked to Ota-san before, it was digital society that "no one will be left behind." In fact, as I have said several times, what I decided at that time was "not to leave behind." "Not to leave behind anyone" is a bit of a top-down view that I am leading but watching you. "Not to leave behind" is a view that I am not left behind, so I used that expression, but before I knew it, it ended up like this. I don't think I can get used to it now.

What I want to say is that digital is not used or not used. The work of the Digi-cho is basically the back end. When digital society is created, everyone gets better, and I think it is not that I am using digital or not, but that society as a whole gets better. If you say it like the right not to use it, it gives the impression that using devices and using PCs is digital society.

In that sense, it is better to discuss digitalization in the direction that society as a whole will be better, services themselves will be better, and everyone's life will be better. To that end, I think the title itself, "Leaving No One Behind," is actually a little different.

Parliamentary Senior Vice-Minister: Let's change .

Natsuno Member: Regarding that point, I was the one who started to say this, but I think it was because Ota-san was considerate and changed the expression. What I wanted to say was exactly the same as Mr. Murai, and I said that when digital is used, society as a whole will suffer from efficiency, and if you are too aware that everyone will use digital, there will be too much waste.

The reason for this is that there are people who cannot use digital and people who have no intention of using digital in the first place. This is regardless of generation. It is a waste of huge costs to let people who do not want to use it use it, so please go to the counter if you do not want to use it. However, I thought it was important to realize a successful digitalization by public service everything after the counter. So, Mr. Ohta was careful to change the expression, but I said that the original purpose should not be to make sure that all the people of Japan can use it.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.

Parliamentary Vice-Minister Yamada, please.

Mr. Yamada, Parliamentary Vice-Minister for Digital: Another thing I would like to ask you to discuss at the moment is that I would like you to seriously discuss the right of representation and the right of delegation. I have been working on disability policies for a long time, but for example, there are people with disabilities who can't use them even if they want to. There are even grandparents who can't use them until the end.

In such a case, for example, if the issue of the right of representation is not properly addressed when the My Number is entered into the system, what happens to the responsibility of the child when he or she enters the system, and what happens to the responsibility of the person who provides assistance or nursing care when he or she enters the system, are issues that have not been resolved in Japan. I think it is necessary to go into such a point and discuss it in accordance with reality.

One more thing I would like to deepen the discussion on as an extension of the current one is life stage cycle management. I would like to change the idea to re-create everything from UI/UX. In particular, digital government must be like that. I don't know where to access when I have a child. I don't know what to do when I have postpartum depression. People have life stages from birth to death, including pregnant people, but I think it is digitalization that is not aware of the fact that information can be provided by matching all of them. In that sense, South Korea is very aware of life stages, and has made it into a place where the screen to be shown to each person is changed, so I think we should discuss such things.

Lastly, as is the case with medical care, education, and disaster risk management, I wonder if we can discuss this more in depth, including the convenience for users. In particular, between the public and private sectors, in medical care, PHR, personal health record, so-called electronic medical records, and prescription data cannot be exchanged. In disaster risk management, for example, when something happens, if there is a person with a medical history, it is impossible to know what medicine he or she is taking, and there is a problem that a secondary disaster occurs.

Education is more typical, and I think that if GIGA School continues like this, it will be stuck. In other words, unless we go as far as to approve or not approve on-demand education, there will be no real effect of education in semi-public sector. Not only the hardware side of face-to-face or non-face-to-face, but also the software side of education.

As a result, instead of teaching by writing on the blackboard, teachers will be close to each child, and for children who can't do it, they will be a companion who says, "Why don't you watch this?" many times, and for children who can do it, they will be a "Why don't you try something like this?" It is said that education will change the way digital society people are. semi-public sector will benefit from the introduction of such devices in digital hardware, but more than that, digital society will be data-driven. For that purpose, I think it is good to have a strong approach that such a society cannot be realized unless we go back and change all the current mechanisms.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.

Koshizuka-san, please.

Koshizuka Member: said earlier, the reason why the Digi-cho is discussing this this time is that when we are going to do something similar to the new reconstruction of the Japanese archipelago, what semi-public sector was thinking about was dispersion, as Mr. Noda said earlier, and there is the Digital Garden City Initiative. Although we are doing semi-public sector and saying that there are walls and the elimination of vertical divisions, I think it is important to efficiency digital when it is important to disperse and build a garden city. The best thing about digital is that the marginal cost is zero, so in that sense, when the merit of scale is large, dispersion, the elimination of vertical divisions, and the merit of scale are contradictory stories when we think about them carefully, but I think the architecture of how to realize this contradiction is very important this time. What is vertically divided? What is vertically divided?

To this end, first of all, it is very important to cooperate technologically, for example, through APIs and data-based cooperation. In addition, it is a mystery what is the meaning of the fact that family registry, for example, has only about 130 million entries in total, but it is a database divided into 1,700, although it is not semi-public sector but the public, which is often the case. In addition, when I ask a university, for example, to send me a school report for an entrance examination, the report is different for each basic local government, so I cannot make an online application at all. There are so many such places, and if I do not touch them, the economies of scale of digital cannot be achieved. However, how to make it compatible with the dispersion mentioned earlier is quite a difficult problem, and I think that will be the creation of a new Japanese archipelago through considerable discussion, including institutional reform.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.

Mr. Koshizuka, when it comes to medical care, education, disaster risk management and other semi-public sector, earthquakes always occur in this country. At that time, what is always pointed out is the awareness of vertical compliance and the lack of cooperation in various ways between the local basic local government and the national government, and the field is always suffering from that. I think that there is high support for the creation of a system in which all 120 million people can prepare for disaster risk management. I think it would be good to think about changing the sign of the Digi-cho to disaster risk management. What do you think? disaster risk management

Koshizuka Member: , you are absolutely right. If I and disaster risk management are involved, for example, the method of disaster risk management, including the problem of organization, is all hardware-oriented, and disaster risk management starts with hardware first. In order to build a dike, or even if IT comes out, sensors will come out, or something like that, in order to cooperate more properly, in the case of the Digi-cho, we need to start with data.

For example, when an earthquake occurs, standardization of the format of the notification will be the last thing to be done, so I think it is necessary for disaster risk management to consider this in a data-driven manner.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.

Member Hirai is at the site, so please.

Hirai Member: Mr. , Makishima Minister, and Mr. Kobayashi, Senior Vice-Minister, I would like to congratulate you on your election. I hope that we can work together as a single team.

There are various discussions now, and I sympathize with all of them. At that time, I believe that if you talk about local administration, the local local government, and the field, you will probably get answers.

The stories that Dr. Murai and Dr. Koshizuka have just mentioned are exactly the same in disaster risk management. The always difficult thing about data problems is how to manage the personal data of evacuees. It is the same in disaster risk management and medical care Crisis Management. Mr. Yamada, Parliamentary Vice-Minister, just mentioned the issue of medication. How about complications? We cannot decide whether it is okay to overcome these problems in crisis management unless a law is enacted. In addition, each local government has a regulation, and there is also a council of personal data.

For example, in the case of the Digital Consultation that you mentioned earlier, I think it is necessary to go to such places to give lessons. I do not say to do all of them. I think crisis management is necessary. I wonder if there is one point of contention about how to manage data with such diversity.

Another issue that came up a lot today is the issue of education. As mentioned by the Parliamentary Vice-Minister for Foreign Affairs and Mr. Murai, we need to create a system in which it can be used by, for example, technical colleges and vocational high schools, as State Minister Kobayashi said.

However, we also need people to teach. In addition, I think that everyone can think a little more about whether it has to be in the classroom. It is difficult for teachers to study. If it is digital, I think that classes including really interesting and game-like applications using the Internet can be held nationwide at the same time. I thought that we should think about and propose a curriculum that will change from the current classroom type and board writing type.

And the last mile problem, or the hardware vulnerability problem. For example, in mountainous areas, there are still places where you can't use data or the Internet. This is different from building roads and railways, and it doesn't cost that much. Even if you say hardware, it's classified as software.

Therefore, for example, the digital garden city concept of creating digital society through the Issue Gold Project is the current aim of Prime Minister Kishida. In that context, if we deal with such things, for example, Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications says that subsidies will be provided when the first project is created, but after that, the version will continue to increase, but it will not be provided. Then, it will stop there. In addition, mobile phone companies are not necessarily profitable, so I would appreciate if you could consider such a matter. Regarding the Issue Gold Project, as State Minister Kobayashi said, I believe that it is possible to exchange at digital bases such as community centers, considering model cases.

In the case of Tottori prefecture, education is also run by a senior citizens' club. It has a very good reputation. Everyone teaches each other. This creates communication and prevents dementia. Therefore, I think that something beyond the fixed concept of education can be done through such a base.

One more point, I would like to raise some issues in today's discussion. For example, Mr. Kokuryo's human resources No. 6 expressed concern about applications in local areas. In addition, Mr. Natsuno, I have been working with you for the first time in a long time, and Mr. Natsuno talked about defense against local vendors.

I think this is probably a matter of perspective, but when it comes to defense, armor and helmets are seen. Local vendors also wear armor and helmets and prepare swords. Probably because I think this can be coordinated with the schedule. Each place has its own reasons, there are vendors, there are development of applications, etc. I think it would be good if everyone studied this.

In particular, the unification of digital government has been mentioned in advance, but such people are saying what about us. You have this kind of work, and if you do not share the roles and share the work and show the whole picture, I think it will be very difficult politically just to make enemies.

Therefore, I would like you to give consideration to such areas and aim to create employment in local areas for the development of the software infrastructure as a whole.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.

It has been about 10 minutes, but there are two or three remaining agenda items, so I would like to ask you to finish them before making your statement.

Secretariat: I will explain briefly.

This is Appendix 3-1. Until now, we have been creating IT strategies based on the IT Basic Act and digital government action plans like the guidelines for our staff to follow of the government based on the Digital Procedure Act. Since this is Digital Agency, I would like to unify it again and make it New digitalization by combining the digital government action plan, including each idea, and the IT strategies that are responsible for the Priority plan of society.

Please take the next page.

This is the image of New Priority plan. With regard to the six points you just discussed, I have slightly rewritten them in (1) to (6) at the beginning of Part I. For example, I believe that (6), "all Japanese nationals can participate," must be revised based on today's discussion, but I would like to reflect them in (1) to (6) based on future discussions.

In addition, from the second part on, as I just mentioned, there are plans for each ministry and agency in the Digital Government Action Plan, and I would like to create a national action plan by incorporating such plans.

Please provide the following materials.

In addition, in order to solicit opinions from the people, we will seek opinions in the form of questions in the "Digital Agency Idea Box." However, we will create questions, and if they are related to the items, we will invite various questions and ask you to write various stories, and based on that, we will reflect them in the discussion.

That's all.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.

The word "literacy" came up. On the other hand, Ms. Audrey Tan is promoting digital policy by using two words, "literacy" and "competency." The Keidanren and others also made such remarks. Then, Ms. Ota talked about DQ earlier.

In other words, the meaning and expression of the words that describe how humans are moving toward digital society are shaking. If only we could discuss it in the same message. I thought it would be nice if you could do so.

That's all from me.

Finally, Mr. Minister, please.

Makishima Minister for Digital Transformation: Thank you very much.

I appreciate the insights from each area of expertise. I think we had a deep discussion.

In particular, as the Senior Vice-Minister and the Parliamentary Vice-Minister have stated, I believe that the Prime Minister has indicated a broad direction to realize a concept that does not contradict the idea of creating a structure that is not vertically structured but horizontally structured because it is in Digital Agency, and at the same time, promoting decentralization in area.

Also, Digital Agency's mission is to create a digitalization that is kind to people and does not leave anyone behind. During today's discussion, I felt that Issue is also trying to figure out how to untangle this and convey it to all of you.

At the entrance, I think there will still be people who really want to go to the window, but even so, during the COVID-19 pandemic, we have taken the first step toward a change from the push type administration, which is an unprecedented application system, so I feel that it is about making digital benefits available to everyone and felt wherever they are.

I think it is our intention to set out the basic concept of the SDGs, "No one will be left behind," without leaving anyone behind. Today, I took it as an assignment how to send a message that is easy for everyone to accept. I would like to continue to proceed while receiving your opinions.

Thank you very much.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.

Chief Officer of the Digital Agency Ishikura: I believe that New Priority plan is a very important topic. I believe that it is very important to hear the people's evaluation of what has happened since the establishment of the Digi-cho. Therefore, in what form it will be promoted, what is different from the one announced in June, and various things are written, but what should be prioritized? You mentioned that disaster risk management should be the signboard of the Digi-cho, so I will think about what is most likely to be aggregated.

For that purpose, instead of coming out in pieces, the Government aims to achieve six goals. When we look at how to evaluate these goals, from a qualitative and quantitative perspective, we can see what we will do by when, what indicators we will use, and what actions we must take to achieve them. If there is an overall picture of each Issue, I think it is easy to think about priorities, to cover several regions at once as Parliamentary Senior Vice-Minister just mentioned, and to look at them at a detailed level. If you think about the whole picture in this way, it is very easy to prioritize, and it is also easy to go somewhere and explain. Thank you.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.

Then, although it has been a few minutes due to my failure, today's "digital society Concept Conference" will be closed.

I'll return it to the office. Thank you very much.

Secretariat: Finally, I would like to make two very brief administrative communications.

The next meeting will be held on December 8. I would like to confirm the attendance of all the members.

Second, today's meeting materials will be released on the Digital Agency website by the end of the day.

The minutes will also be published on the Digital Agency website after confirmation by the members.

That's all.

Chairman Murai: Thank you very much, . That's all.