Digital Extraordinary Administrative Advisory Committee Working Group (14th)

Overview

Date and Time: Wednesday, September 28, 2022 (2022) from 10:30 to 12:00
Location: Online
Agenda:
1. Opening
2. Proceedings
  1. Holding of the Technology-based regulatory reform Promotion Committee and advance preparation of the technology catalog
  2. Trial Implementation of the Process for Confirmation of Compliance with the Digital Principles, etc. Pertaining to the Bill Scheduled to be Submitted to the Extraordinary Diet
  3. Current status of the law review of "visual inspection," "on-site inspection" and "regular inspection"
  4. Exchange of opinions
3. Adjournment

Materials

Minutes, etc.

Date

Wednesday, September 28, 2022 (2022), from 10:00 to 11:40

Location

Held online

Attendees

Chairman

OGUSHI Masaki, Senior Vice-

Members

Junji Annen (Attorney-at-law, Professor of the Graduate School of Law
Tatsuhiko Inadani (Professor, Graduate School of Law, Kyoto University)
IWAMURA Arihiro (Managing Director, Japan Business Federation)
Katsuya Uenoyama (President of PKSHA Technology, Inc.)
Takafumi Ochiai (Attorney at law, Atsumi & Sakai, Foreign Law Joint Enterprise)
Masakazu Masushima (Attorney-at-Law, Mori Hamada & Matsumoto)

Minutes

Secretariat (Mimura): As it is time, I would like to open the fourteenth session of the Digital Extraordinary Administrative Advisory Committee Working Group.
Again, members are invited to participate online.

Regarding your attendance today, I have heard that Mr. Sugawara will be absent due to personal reasons.

Without further ado, I would like to begin today's proceedings.

I would like to ask Mr. Annen, Vice Chairman, to proceed with the proceedings from now on. Mr. Annen, Vice Chairman, please.

Vice Chairman Annen: Thank you very much, : Thank you very much. Good morning. I'm Annen. I look forward to working with you today.

Let's get down to business.

There are three items on the agenda of the 14th meeting. The first is "Holding of the Technology-based regulatory reform Promotion Committee and Prior Development of the Technology Catalog", the second is "Trial Implementation of the Process for Confirmation of Compliance with the Digital Principles pertaining to the Bill Scheduled to be Submitted to the Extraordinary Diet", and the third is "Current Status of the visual inspection Review on' on-site inspection,'' regular inspection' and' law.'"

First, I would like to ask Mr. Hitoshi Suga for an explanation on the "Holding of the Technology-based regulatory reform Promotion Committee and the preliminary development of the technology catalog."

Secretariat (Suga): Good morning.

Without further ado, I would like to share some materials with you.

At the 12th Working Group meeting, I explained that this is the "Technical Technology Map Assessment Working Group for the Formulation of validation (provisional name)," but after discussions with the parties concerned, the name of the committee has been officially decided to be the "Technology-based regulatory reform Promotion Committee," and I would like to explain the establishment of the committee.

The purpose of the meeting and matters to be considered are separately shown in Annexes 1 and 2, but we will conduct a cross-sectional survey of technologies and technologies that can be used for cross-sectional regulation reviews based on domestic and overseas conditions. Then, we will firmly organize discussions on the scale of how far we can apply and expand the use of technologies and technologies that can be used for a specific regulation field as a breakthrough. We will also organize Issue at that time and provide feedback on the way regulation itself should be. Also, we have been discussing the need for Technology Map and catalogs for a long time, but we plan to discuss their specifications and who and in what form they should be used.

On the next page, I have a list of the members of the committee. I would like to ask Mr. Hiroshi Esaki, who is also the chief architect of the Digi-cho, to serve as the chairman. In addition, on the left side are the members, who are aware of the balance between those who have knowledge of safety and security, those who have knowledge of the innovation side, and those who are familiar with the world of physics and the world of cyber.

On the right side is an observer organization, which is established by each ministry. We would like to invite people from the Research development Corporation to join us, study together, share information, and listen to the discussions of the authorities in regulation. We would also like to invite the Secretariat for the Promotion of Science, Technology and Innovation of the Cabinet Office, which has been investing in the government, to participate in the discussions.

On the next page, although it may change in the future, I am assuming that the goal of the Committee is to accelerate the review of regulation and public service that do not conform to the digital principles. First, we will co-create a knowledgebase on examples of the use of advanced technologies, so-called best practices, between the public and private sectors. We will promote the cross-sectional use of the same type of regulation and procurement by the public and private sectors. Through the reevaluation of risks based on the assumption of the use of technology, we will constantly review whether the state of regulation was good in the first place. And while protecting the lives of the people from various risks most effectively, on the other hand, further technology development will be required in the future. I hope that it will be a place where we aim to create and develop global markets by presenting technology development targets.

On the next page, I have posted several items that I was told by the members of the Committee in advance. It is important to create incentives and environments so that people can actually use the maps and catalogs, rather than just creating them once. At that time, it is necessary to make regulation very smart in terms of how to hook design. Rather than continuing to update the maps and catalogs at a much lower frequency under the leadership of the government, we should aim for an ecosystem that is automatically generated by the DPJ, and more and more contributions are automatically made. From the perspective of business operators, the technology catalogs may be beautiful, with only the advantages described, but from the perspective of users, what cannot be done is more important, so I think they should be in a form that allows us to hear such things clearly.

In addition, there may be feedback that the introduction of technology will return to the original purpose of regulation and review the way it should be. For example, if digitalization makes it easier to conduct training, it may be possible to consider shortening the indefinite validity period of the qualification and increasing the frequency of renewals.

In addition, it has been pointed out that incentive design to ensure that digital technology is actually used in the field should be thoroughly examined. Based on the premise that current analog initiatives do not necessarily achieve 100% accuracy, for example, they do not 100% prevent cheating, we should have in-depth discussions on how much is acceptable, including clearly indicating guidelines and development targets, rather than requiring 100% accuracy only when digital technology is used.

I was thinking that this catalog would be developed in cooperation with each ministry after the budget is secured next year, but the Minister Kono has instructed me that we should consider developing a technology catalog in advance as soon as I assume office. I am working on that, so I would like to introduce it from here.

As far as the current basic positioning of the catalog is concerned, as long as reference is made to prior cases, it is not assumed that the government will stand in the way of the gatekeeper who approves and certifies individual technologies. In the end, the person who uses the technology will be responsible for it, and on the premise that the authorities will confirm it, the catalog will first be created as a reference material to improve the efficiency of the technology adoption.

For the development of the catalog, we will be able to immediately start a public offering of what technologies are currently available. As a first step, we are considering conducting a public offering of technologies to realize digital completion in In-person Courses by the end of this month and compiling a trial version by next month. Furthermore, after that, we would like to gradually invite applications for technologies that monitor and detect the deterioration of structures in real time, such as cracks and rust.

From here on, regarding In-person Courses, we have already started making a form for public offering, so I would like to introduce it. Including the process before and after the course, we would like to widely invite applications for technology to perform a series of processes, such as application and payment of expenses, confirmation of testing whether or not you have learned the technology after the course, and Issue of the certificate of completion. We would like to start public offering within this month, and accept applications by posting the form on the website of the Digi-cho. digital completion

The course is just what we are working on as the 7 preceding items, and since the procedure is always analog and complicated, many regulation are listed.

Among them, I would like to ask the authorities in charge of the national examination to understand what kind of Issue can be solved by what kind of systems and technologies. They have a lot of awareness of Issue, saying that we cannot be lax about impersonation, cheating, leaving the classroom, working at home, and falling asleep at the wheel.

The next page is what we are thinking of as the next Issue. Regarding sensing of structures, there are various non-destructive inspections, real-time monitoring technology, and sensing technology, and we would like to invite use cases to join us in asking what they are doing now.

We would like to use the results of this public solicitation for catalogues as specific materials for consideration. While looking at the technologies that have been submitted, at the same time, we would like to consider in what units the technology fields targeted for the development of the catalogues should be considered and in what order the catalogues should be developed. The added value is to standardize the catalogues so that they can be compared, but what granularity the items to be included in the catalogues should be. If there are any points to be reconsidered after the public solicitation, we would like to correct them in the next public solicitation. If the catalogues cannot be used at all, we would like to review the format.

In addition, with regard to the publication technology of the catalog, there is a discussion on the security measures of Trust, that is, who will give the seal of approval, who will check to what extent, and whether it is okay not to check at all. In addition, we recognize that it is necessary to sort out who will be responsible if the original performance cannot be achieved or if, for example, spoofing actually occurs.

That's all from me.

Vice Chairman Annen: Thank you very much, .

If you have any comments or questions about the explanation you just gave us, please let us know.

Mr. Inadani, please.

Mr. Inadani: You are right about the civil liability of . Thank you for your introduction of the very ambitious initiative. I was very excited to hear that you have given me a specific image of the full-scale progress.

I would like to make a few comments. I agree with your opinion that it would be better to proceed with the initiative of the private sector first. At that time, as it was in the slide, I think there will be a talk about the need for contact points to proceed with the initiative of the private sector. So far, after lectures and study groups related to digitalization have been held in various places, there have been actually ideas that I would like to try and present as talks from companies, and I have received many opinions that I would like to propose to digitalization, but I do not know the contact points well. I feel that if this is sorted out, there will be no one obstacle to proceed with the initiative of the private sector, so I would be grateful if you could sort this out.

In addition, I think that the discussion of considering the tolerance of risk is a very important point, and I think that there is a chilling effect that if you use this useful technology, you will not be held legally responsible if you have done it in the past, but it will be a problem if you are held responsible because you have done it.

In other words, even if you use the items in the catalog properly, if something happens and you end up being held accountable, I think it will be a serious problem. So, I think that such a problem can be solved by working together with a view to a good way to organize things. So, I think that if you go into this matter, it will be successful if you work on it while thinking about some kind of discussion.

Lastly, I would like to talk about how to reduce the current negative incentives. I believe that positive incentives can be considered, and I believe that there were various introductions to non-destructive testing in this working group, and there was a story that the market is small, so the price cannot be lowered and it is difficult to commercialize it. Therefore, if it is listed in the catalog, for example, it may become the target of anchor tenancy in the future. I think that combining it with positive incentives as a set will be an important story in promoting social implementation.

However, in that case, it is closely related to the issue of certification and the issue of risk tolerance mentioned earlier, but if certification is also led by the private sector, it will be difficult for the government to take responsibility until the end, so if it is led by the private sector, it will inevitably be a third party certification. However, in that case, it is necessary to consider at the same time a system in which moral hazard of large companies does not occur, and if that can be done, I think it will work well as a whole.

I have said various things separately, and I believe they have already been covered, but I believe that if the points I just mentioned are taken into consideration as a whole, it will probably be a story that moves forward more quickly. This is what I thought while asking you.

That's all from me.

Vice Chairman Annen: Thank you very much, . Please make your statements in the following order. Mr. Iwamura, Mr. Uenoyama, Mr. Ochiai, and Mr. Masushima, in that order. First, Mr. Iwamura, please.

Member of Iwamura: Thank you, .

We would like to sincerely welcome the early start of the provision of maps and catalogs under the leadership of the Minister Kono.

Keidanren is also planning to hold a briefing by the Digital Rincho Secretariat on September 30, the day after tomorrow. It seems that there is quite a lot of interest, and as of today, about a little less than 300 participants are expected. It seems that many people, including startups, will participate, so I would appreciate it very much.

It is very important to have a successful experience in which you can feel the convenience of advance maintenance. I think there will be various points pointed out by teachers in the future, and I think there will be points that will be improved by actually doing it. I would like to ask for your cooperation including such points.

I believe that companies will realize the benefits, increase the provision of information, and expand the range of options, which will further increase utilization. I expect that momentum will be further accelerated starting with such initiatives.

That's all.

Uenoyama Member: I'm Uenoyama . Thank you very much.

I would like you to proceed with this, including a sense of direction. There are many members who are familiar with technology, so I don't have a big message from me, but I would like to tell you two or three things that I think it would be good if you could keep this in mind when proceeding.

First of all, I believe that you have set up a quick-in as an exit point for the utilization of the technology catalog, and it is important to design the design so that it can grow into a multi-step outcome.

The second point is whether this technology catalog will be crowded with people, in other words, how to make the front of the technology catalog a place with many people passing by. I think it is important. If it is used a lot, it will be improved on its own. So, there are cases where the people themselves raise the content, and there are cases where the government authorities set up something that they have no choice but to see.

At the end, I would like to apologize for the detailed discussion, but I personally think that it is okay to include a technology billing scheme or money as one of the items in the technology catalog. In the end, it is quite important whether it will be a one time sale type, a subscription, or whether it will be a hook product, like SI or customization. Therefore, I would like you to discuss how much money will be included in the conference body.

That's all.

Vice Chairman Annen: Thank you very much, .

All right, Mr. Ochiai.

Ochiai Member: . I think the leadership of the Minister Kono, including the fact that it was very early, and the efforts of Mr. Suga, who gathered good members, are also very wonderful.

In addition to that, in terms of the possibility of further development, I would like to take a closer look at the content that Mr. Uenoyama mentioned earlier. For example, in terms of the Digital Principles, there are many parts that are currently working on Principles 1 and 2. I believe that the targets of regulatory reform that will be linked to the Digital Principles will gradually develop in the Working Group and the Parent Group, so I believe it is important to link such content.

Also, I would like to talk about the technology itself. May I introduce one?

Vice Chairman Annen: Thank you very much, , please.

Ochiai Member: For example, there is a study on the guidelines for identity verification at DADC. This is a published one. In such a report, for example, the method of identity verification is called EKYC, and there are various things, but there is a part that can be classified by the intensity of verification, which is called stage classification. For each technical theme, there are matters that can be used as they are if there is such a description, or there may be cases where it is better to appropriately classify the level and classify the extent to which it should be handled in relation to the use and the content of the related regulation. At least, identity verification is a method equivalent to this, so I was considering it with the guidance of Mr. Yoshida of Digital Agency. I think it is by theme, but if necessary, I would like you to consider it.

In addition, when we actually use technology, I think there are parts that can be solved by technology alone and parts that depend on operation. For example, in the National Strategic Special Zone, we are discussing online voting in Tsukuba City. There are things that can be done by technology, that is, electronic ledgers, and things that can be done by operation, and whether or not they are threatened is not simply a matter of technology alone, but there are parts that will be dealt with by operation. In fact, I think that it will be possible to combine it with operation in the final implementation, so first of all, it is fine to summarize the technology itself because there is no technology itself, but next, I think that it will be easier for the adopters to use it if we know how to operate it.

The cost that Mr. Uenoyama mentioned will also be an important point for users. As for existing initiatives, I hope that it will be a good initiative to consider what kind of person should be in the digital marketplace that was discussed by the Legislative Bureau or procurement, and to connect Technology Map and the digital marketplace well.

There are many things, but that's all.

Vice Chairman Annen: Thank you very much, .

Then, Dr. Masushima, please.

Mr. Masashima: As .

This time, I believe that the members of the committee who made it will evaluate the entire proposal and adopt it. As Professor Inadani said, I feel that the Secretariat needs to make relatively detailed proposals involving incentives and disincentives. We are talking about doing various things automatically with digital technology, so I think there are many parts that are slightly different from what we are talking about doing with rules. I feel that the proposals submitted to the Secretariat need to be designed so that law enforcement will come here with incentives and disincentives.

In particular, I think we will talk about law enforcement in the governance innovation section, and it seems to be closely connected with that section, so I think we are in the position of a working group, but I feel that we should make a draft proposal to be submitted to this committee, and make it in a form that will be useful to you.

In that sense, we would be very grateful if you could start with a course, and it may have the least impact in a strange sense. So, we would like to have a rather detailed discussion here, and then we would like to try to find out how to handle the error rate, the cheating rate, and so on in terms of KPIs. If we actually submit it to the committee, what kind of reactions will be there? For us, it is like an experiment. So, I felt that we would like to cooperate in making a good proposal as a secretariat draft while receiving feedback, including whether or not it will fall down to maintenance.

Vice Chairman Annen: Thank you very much, . Is there anything else you would like to say?

There is no way to worry from the beginning, but there is someone who will provide the technology, and it is quite possible that the technology provided did not perform as specified in the catalog specifications. In such a case, however, is it OK to pursue legal liability?

Or, is there a mechanism in which the provider shows that he or she can be responsible up to what extent? I don't have any wisdom at all, but I think it would be good to have the cooperation of lawyers in particular. In any case, if we create a rigid mechanism from the beginning, there will be no one to provide the technology, but we cannot relax it so much, so it is quite difficult to do that. Of course, I think it will be trial and error, but I deeply felt that it is a problem that must be considered.

However, I thought that it would be a little difficult to narrow down the discussion to legal points, and I felt that there were many things to think about, although I was thinking about it and there was no way out.

Mr. Masashima: As The SLA problem is quite big. How to set the service level? In the digital world, you set the SLA and adjust the performance to a certain level. If the adjusted performance does not appear, you will be compensated or the price will be deducted. We have already done this in the IT area, so I personally think how different it needs to be from that.

If both parties cannot take this risk, it will have to be transferred to insurance in the end, so if we clarify the mechanism for sharing or distributing such risks in the IT domain, the reliability of the SLA percentage varies, so if we talk about which one to choose, it will be possible to realize something.

Mr. Inadani: You are right about the civil liability of , and I think there are quite a few parts that can be divided between the parties, but I also think it is a matter of what to do with administrative and criminal affairs that is quite difficult. I think the administrative side is somewhat close to what you said this time, so I think it will be in the direction of creating a scheme in which we will ask the government agencies that cooperate with Technology Map to operate the system after understanding various things.

In addition, it is better to think separately about what to do with detectives. Criminal justice is operated by a logic completely different from that of ordinary administration, so I feel that it is better to think about how to make contact in advance.

Ochiai Member: are also satisfied, there is a possibility that the hiring business operator will think whether it is good in terms of the business design of the company's response to the Business Law at a level different from the civil and criminal responsibility in the event of failure. From the perspective of responsibility, it is as Mr. Masushima said, and in the first place, whether or not it will be included in the entry of whether it meets a certain level and can be used, I think there is a point of how much guidance and certification will be developed, but in some cases, it may be done by a sandboxing method. It can be done in the sandbox or in the form of a gray zone for electronic signatures. In relation to electronic signatures, there are examples of various business operators using gray zones, but some people say that it may not be the original use of the system. When we consider the actual situation of use, I think it is important to firmly create guidance in various ways, demonstration, and a framework for certification.

Mr. Masashima: As 's point. In a word, the administration is how to overcome the coordination with administrative inerrancy, which was also done by Senior Vice-Minister of the previous regime, so I think it is how to create an administrative cycle in which methods that do not work are learned.

Therefore, the administration is able to control to a certain extent, and the motivation of the people in the administration is that they do not want to be scolded in the end or they want to avoid a state in which they cannot stand. Therefore, if this mechanism is implemented and if the behavior when it does not work is provided as guidance, it is possible for the administrative officer to manage if it is secured that the state in which they cannot stand will not occur if they act in this way.

In relation to that, in fact, I feel that it is possible for detectives to control it to some extent. How judicial administration is connected to the administration is like something that cannot be taken away by the administration starts justice. For example, in the field of finance, it is like someone has run a bank without a license or has taken out an insurance policy. The administration takes this approach first, and if there is nothing they can do, they file a complaint with the police. It is written like this. The judicial administration people who are watching the process should basically make moves that are administrative considerations rather than motivation to actively do something themselves. Those who do not let the big evil sleep may move a little differently, but other than that, I feel that it is surprisingly controllable.

Therefore, I felt that a certain level of control could be achieved by clearly providing guidance on how to send documents to the administration and how to connect them to detectives. At least, I was looking at the financial administration.

Vice Chairman Annen: Thank you very much, . I feel that it was meaningful that the composition had an unusually high concentration of roya.

Mr. Masashima: As Secretariat.

Vice Chairman Annen: Thank you very much, Since you pointed out all the important points, let's not think about solving them right away. In any case, we have no choice but to think about them while running, so first of all, we need to make a preliminary trial, and during that, various points of contention will come up, and I think there will be situations where we need to ask for the cooperation of the teachers of the Roya. So, I will think about them each time. Thank you very much for your really good discussion.

Next, I would like to move on to the second agenda item. Counselor Suga would like to ask about the "Trial Implementation of the Process for Confirmation of Compliance with the Digital Principles for the Bills Scheduled to be Submitted to the Extraordinary Diet."

Secretariat (Suga): .

Next, I would like to report on the trial implementation of what we used to call "Digital Legislation Bureau functions."

From the next page, we will look back on the past discussion for a while, so I will skip it. In addition to checking the seven preceding items, as Minister Kono said on page 4, there are 1,900 items in floppy disk that are still designated as submission media and media, so we have decided to check them immediately in addition to the seven preceding items. Originally, we thought of three stages: We would present guidelines to each ministry and agency for self-check, and when a bill is submitted to the Legislative Bureau, we would check it before the preliminary examination, and then institutionalize the process of execution adjustment, and firmly reflect the discussion on how to structure the system. provision

On the next page, Minister Kono has instructed that although we are currently reviewing the analog regulations in the Digi-in as soon as he takes office, we must avoid the emergence of bills that contain provision that run counter to those regulations, for example, at the extraordinary Diet session to be convened this fall. Therefore, we would like to establish Digital Legislation Bureau in the Digi-in and thoroughly examine the bills to be submitted to the extraordinary Diet session this fall. Originally, we had planned to implement several bills on a trial basis from among the bills to be submitted to the ordinary Diet sessions in 2024 and 2024, which was quite a long time away, but we have started to check the bills to be submitted to the next extraordinary Diet session ahead of schedule.

On the next page, for that purpose, we first need to write guidelines to be presented to each ministry, and in the draft of the guidelines, we would like to check the seven items plus floppy disks rather than the entire digital principles. On the top of the originally presented process chart, where the front-loaded schedule is specifically reflected is as shown in the table below. First, regarding the guidelines, we will prepare a draft within this fiscal year, and after discussion at the Council next year, we will prepare a draft in the summer. Now, we have prepared a draft and presented it to each ministry, and we are checking new bills from the bills to be submitted to the extraordinary Diet. We are checking whether there are any provisions related to the seven items plus floppy disks.

Based on the experience of the trial implementation this time, each ministry and agency is very carefully scheduling the submission of laws minute by minute, so I would like to review the process so that it can be integrated into the process so that the check by the Digital Legislation Bureau function does not hinder.

It's simple, but that's all.

Vice Chairman Annen: Thank you very much, .

So, if you have any comments or questions about the explanation you've just given us, please let me know. Is there anyone here? Do you think Digital Legislation Bureau is more of a service?

Secretariat (Suga): Denmark, but design in Denmark is really based on the idea of service, and we are consulting that it is better to check this point. We would like to reach the level of such service.

Vice Chairman Annen: Thank you very much, I understand.

I sometimes wonder if the real Cabinet Legislation Bureau is a person who corrects examination papers, so I thought it would be good if the difference from that was made clear.

Mr. Ochiai, I'm sorry to have kept you waiting.

Ochiai Member: Thank you very much. I would like you to proceed. If we proceed ahead of schedule, I think this has made it more likely that digital principles will be realized soon.

There is one thing. As was the case earlier, we are mainly discussing Principles 1 and 2 while they are being checked. Regarding the viewpoints of 3, 4, and 5, there are parts that have not yet been made into detailed guidance, so I think there are parts that cannot be corrected at this point. If you take a look at the problem awareness itself to some extent, I think there is a possibility that you will find the beginning of something that can be done about these parts, so I would like you to report to the Working Group that there are such parts.

The members of the Working Group have discussed it, and the following principles have been elaborated, or 1 and 2 have been made and advanced, but it is possible that we will realize that this kind of arrangement may be better after many reviews, and I think that the way of advancing the review should be revised again. In that sense, I would like to hear what you have noticed.

That's all.

Vice Chairman Annen: Thank you very much, .

Then, Dr. Masushima, please go ahead.

Mr. Masashima: As .

I think it is very important that we do not go to the top of screening, in the sense that we are going to do this as a service and consultation.

On top of that, is it basically a flow like going to the Legislative Bureau after talking about how to do it in this order?

Secretariat (Suga): Bill, when the new and old bills are completed, we will show them to us, conduct a keyword search, and if we are caught in the process, we will confirm whether you are planning to allow digital completion or give priority to it in the subsequent execution stage. If so, we will go ahead, but if not, we will take action. This is our communication now.

Mr. Masashima: As I see. In that case, basically when you write a legal text, you write it while thinking about a certain method in your head, and it should flow like this.

Secretariat (Suga): That's right. For example, there are items that contain so-called standard provisions, such as carrying and presenting identification cards at the time of on-site inspection.

Mr. Masashima: As as a Service, resources are difficult in many ways, but it may not be a service to check the wording, or it may be the Legislative Bureau, so I think it would be better to be able to discuss what kind of technology we are actually planning to use. We are making a catalog, and people who are looking at the wording are talking with a little bit of awareness of the existence of such technology, so it may not be necessary to be full-fledged, but we should communicate with each ministry and agency about such actual implementation technology, and if we are going to do something like this, we should put it in such wording. I think it would be really good to have it done as a service.

In addition, I feel that we should actually think about quite creative wording to some extent. When we create the wording now, we will create it as if the wording is here in the law as a measure by the Cabinet Legislation Bureau. However, I feel that we will never be able to get things done properly if we are doing it this way, and I feel that it is quite important to break through that.

In short, if we do not create a new way of expression, even if there is this phrase in that article, it will be like this article is written on the premise of analog, so I feel that this is not the right way.

Therefore, I think it is important for Digital Legislation Bureau to have a sense of perspective to development the new legal language in a digital-first manner in a form that suits the new digital. For example, when I go to Cabinet Legislation Bureau and ask where the language is, I feel like I want to go to a picture that Cabinet Legislation Bureau will visit if I say, "This is a development with Digi-Cho in Digital Legislation Bureau."

To that end, Digi-cho actually talked about this with the people of the Cabinet Legislation Bureau in advance, and we would like to do this kind of thing with this function. We would like to make a development for creative wording, but we will make a proper commitment to that, so I think it is quite important to keep things like this so that there will be no discussion about this or that on that premise. If not, it will be a story that the ministry will collapse because of it, and it will be a story that will end up being useless, so I felt that I would like you to do that well.

That's all.

Vice Chairman Annen: Thank you very much, . I have always wondered why legal texts do not include, for example, tables or examples. Now, it should be easy to create various layers and create articles digitally, so I really think it is good. I sympathized with you. Thank you very much.

Well, can we wrap up this agenda? Thank you very much.

Now, I would like to turn to the third agenda item, "The current status of the law Review on' visual inspection,'' on-site inspection' and' regular inspection.'" Mr. Watanabe, Counselor, please explain this.

[The current status of the law review of "visual inspection," "on-site inspection" and "regular inspection" is not disclosed.]

Vice Chairman Annen: Thank you very much, Now, that's all for the agenda.

In conclusion, I would like to ask Senior Vice-Minister Okushi to say a few words.

Chairman Okushi: Thank you all for your active comments today. Today, we had a discussion on the preliminary development of a technology catalog and the establishment of an expert council on Technology Map, the trial implementation of processes such as the confirmation of compliance with digital principles related to the bill to be submitted to the Extraordinary Diet, and the current status of the review of visual inspection regulation, on-site regulation, periodic inspection, and periodic inspection of law.

With the establishment of the Advisory Council, discussions on Technology Map will become full-scale in the future. We will report on the status of the discussions at the Working Group as needed. We would appreciate it if you could consider the matter from a wide range of perspectives.

In addition, although we have started some preliminary efforts on the process of confirmation of compliance with the digital principles, we would like to ask for your continued guidance on the enhancement of the process while referring to the opinions we received today.

Regarding the final inspection and review of law, each ministry and agency will prepare a draft of the schedule by the 30th of this month, and the content will be finalized by the end of the year. Going forward, as we proceed with the work to carefully examine the content of the schedule toward the end of the year, we expect to hold hearings at this working group. Please continue to actively discuss this matter.

Thank you for your time today.

Vice Chairman Annen: Thank you very much, .

Then, I would like to ask the Secretariat to explain about the next Working Group meeting.

Secretariat (Watanabe): As for the details of the next Working Group, the Secretariat will contact you later, so please take care of it.

As for today's proceedings, if you do not have any objections to the "Current Status of the law Review on' visual inspection,'' on-site inspection,' and' regular inspection,'" we would like to keep it closed to the public. For the other parts, we would like to prepare minutes later and make them public after everyone has confirmed them.

In addition, with regard to the handling of today's materials, I would like to disclose the materials on the regulatory reform website except for the first reference material "Holding of the Technology-based Digital Extraordinary Administrative Advisory Committee Promotion Committee and Prior Development of the Technology Catalog" and the last material on the agenda that I just mentioned.

Thank you for joining us today.

Vice Chairman Annen: Thank you very much, .

I would now like to close the fourteenth session of the Conference. I look forward to working with you in the future.