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Digital System Reform Study Meeting (4th)

Overview

  • Date and time: March 22, 2024 (Friday) from 13:00 to 14:30
  • Location: Online
  • Agenda:
    1. Opening
    2. Proceedings
      1. Status of follow-up on the regulations on paper and in-person processes Review of the seven items
      2. Economic Effects of regulations on paper and in-person processes Review (Final Report)
      3. Base Registry and Institutional Issue - Future Action Plan (Draft) -
    3. Adjournment

Materials

Minutes

Secretariat (Dai): Now, we would like to begin the 4th Digital Related System Reform Review Meeting.
Again, members are invited to participate online.

As for today's attendance, I heard that Mr. Uenoyama was absent and Mr. Masushima was in the middle of the day.

Then, I would like you to discuss today's agenda. I would like to ask the chairman to proceed with the proceedings from now on. Thank you very much, Mr. Ahn.

Chairman: .
Now, I would like to start our discussion. Today's agenda consists of the following three items: (1) "Follow-up Status of the regulations on paper and in-person processes Review on the Seven Items, etc."; (2) "Economic Effects of the regulations on paper and in-person processes Review (Final Report)"; (3) "Base Registry and Institutional Issue - Future Policies for Initiatives (Draft)"; (4) I would like to have the final report on the interim report I received last summer.

First of all, I would like to ask Mr. Mayu, Counselor of the Secretariat, to explain the "Status of Follow-up to the regulations on paper and in-person processes Review of the Seven Items."

Secretariat (Dai): Now, I would like to explain about agenda item 1, "Status of follow-up to the regulations on paper and in-person processes Review, including the seven items."

On page 1 of Handout 1, I would like to ask about the status of the regulations on paper and in-person processes Review. This shows the figures at the time when the previous follow-up was completed. As a review, the top is the number of provision in regulation based on law, and the bottom is the number based on public notices, notifications, and circulars. This time, we are following up on both cases that met the deadline in 2023. As a result of the review, we found a total of 9,628 cases in law, or about 10,000 cases, but since digital technology can be used in the first place, there are 3,264 cases that have been sorted out because the review is unnecessary. For the remaining cases, we have prepared a process chart and have been working on the regulations on paper and in-person processes Review. At the time of the previous follow-up, it was confirmed that the review was completed for 1,601 cases. This time, 1,032 cases were subject to the review because the deadline on the process chart will come.

Regarding regulation based on public notices, notices, and circulars, those that have expired this time are also subject to follow-up. The same number of cases as in law have been arranged, and there were 1,104 cases that were to be conducted during 2023 due to the "need for review," and these were subject to this follow-up.
On page 2, regarding the results of the follow-up, first of all, based on law, of the 1,032 cases, 977 cases were reported to have been completed, and 55 cases were decided to be reviewed, although all the cases that had not been reviewed yet were set to be reviewed at a new timing with each ministry.

In addition to this, there were three cases in which it was reported that the review had been completed ahead of schedule, even if the review had been completed a little earlier, so it means that the review has been completed this time. It is 977 cases plus 3 cases, or 980 cases. Adding 1,601 cases that had been completed so far, it means that about 2,581 cases have been completed at this point in time. This is the total number of provision.

Next, based on the notifications and notices on page 3, this is the first time for us to follow up. There were 1,038 cases in which the review of 1,104 cases was reported to have been completed, and 66 cases in which the review was not completed but a new completion date was set in coordination with each ministry. Therefore, it was found in this follow-up that 1,038 cases were reviewed.

On page 4, this table shows the future status of the cases that were identified this time and the cases that have been reviewed so far. This table is based on law. There are 2,581 cases that have been reviewed this time, and about 40% of the 6,364 cases that need to be reviewed have been reviewed.

However, after this, March and then June will be a big peak, or a turning point. At the present time, there are 97 cases in which the review deadline has been set beyond June 2024, but excluding these cases, the review is scheduled to be completed in principle by June 2024, this year, and there are approximately 3,783 cases remaining in total, so we will continue to follow up on these efforts.

On page 5, there are public notices, notices, and circulars. As I mentioned earlier, the first timing is that the deadline has come this time. So, 1,038 items have been reviewed this time, 1,758 items need to be reviewed, and 720 items remain. The total is 2,536 items, and about 60% of the items that need to be reviewed have been reviewed.

Page 6 is an example of what was actually reviewed in regulations on paper and in-person processes. In particular, this time, most of the items were about regulation such as floppy disks, but this is basically dealt with by amending the Digital Procedure Act. For items that require amendment of individual ministerial ordinances, the review will be completed after such amendments are made.

Page 7 is an example of the regulation Review of Notifications, Notices, and Notices. These are Notifications, Notices, and Notices, and some of them are revised, while others are dealt with by issuing additional Office Communications and clearly indicating once again that digital technology can be used. You can see that this is how they are dealt with.

That's all for your report and explanation. Thank you in advance.

Chairman: .

Please let us know if you have any questions or comments about the explanation we have just given.

In the order of Iwamura member, Inadani member and Ochiai member, please.

IWAMURA Member: . We are very encouraged that the review of regulations on paper and in-person processes is progressing steadily according to the schedule.

You explained that the revision of the Digital Procedures Act has made it possible to respond to 55 cases of revision of the timing of media such as floppy disk. In this regard, we would appreciate if you could tell us the special reasons, background, and circumstances for the remaining regulation of media such as floppy disk.

Every spring, Keidanren conducts a questionnaire survey on regulatory reform's requests, and as usual, we will collect digital-related requests this time. The other day, there was a hotline response saying that "we cannot respond" to the request made in the 2023 regulatory reform Request about the digitization of life insurance policies in principle and the digitization of procedures for the establishment and change of hospitals and clinics. We would like the regulatory reform Promotion Council to respond to these requests from the bottom up one by one. I think it depends on the content of this year's request, but we would like the regulatory reform Promotion Council and Digital Agency to work together to advance digital reform. Keidanren will continue to work together.

That's all.

Chairman: .

Member Inadani, please.

Inadani Member: Thank you, Thank you very much. Thank you for your very detailed explanation. I was also able to understand the good progress situation well, so I thought it was very encouraging.

You said that there were many floppy disks this time, but I have the impression from the materials you have just provided that an extremely important review was conducted in areas other than floppy disks.
For example, the use of digital technology is approved for visual inspection regulation, a field survey in preparation for the occurrence of a YAMADA Haruto, and the use of digital technology is approved for periodic inspections. I once again got the impression that there is recognition that even if activities are related to risks, they can be replaced to some extent by using digital technology. I think that there have been changes relatively quickly in places where risks are relatively unrelated, but I think it is important that it has begun to be recognized that even if risks are related, digital technology can be used for equivalent activities. In addition, I think that it is safer to use technology to focus on the warning of dangerous locations where disasters occur in the other notice than to do it by humans, and I think that it is moving in a very reasonable direction. Below that, the abolition of periodic surveys is also an excellent progress. Through the examination of digitalization, it has become clear that this regulation is unnecessary, and I think that eliminating unreasonable regulation is also an extremely important point for our efforts, so I think that it is an excellent progress that such a thing has been made.

That's all. Thank you.

Chairman: .

Member of Ochiai, please.

Ochiai Member: Thank you very much for your explanation. There are more and more projects that are progressing steadily, so I thought it was wonderful to visit you.

I believe that the number of projects that have not been completed is decreasing. When I visited you before, I believe that the steps were set as Steps 1, 2, and 3. In that sense, I would like to know how many projects have been completed up to the last step.

That's all from me.

Chairman: . All three of you said that it was reassuring and that the progress was strong.

Counselor Dai, please.

Secretariat (Dai): , for your kind comments.

I would like to answer your question. Regarding the reasons for the remaining floppy disks and the like, it is true that there have been amendments at the legal level due to the revision of the Digital Procedure Act. In addition, regarding the matters that are specified as necessary by the Ministerial Ordinance and those that need to be corrected, when I looked at the remaining 55 cases, all of them were in that pattern. Since these are also Ministerial Ordinances, we are coordinating with each ministry to revise them as soon as possible.

In addition, Mr. Ochiai spoke about the phases at the end. It is true that Phases 1, 2, and 3 have been established in order to make digital technology more complete or more utilized in Phase 3. However, in the review of regulations on paper and in-person processes as the main reform, coordination was made with the ministries and agencies in charge of each regulation, and based on the extent to which the review can be conducted within the schedule, Phases 1, 2, and 3 were established and incorporated into the process chart. For those that have been reviewed, reports have been made that the review has been completed where such targets were set in advance. However, what is certainly expected in the future is that Phase 2, which was intended to be Phase 3, has been completed within this period. However, I wonder if it is possible that reports will be made that Phase 3 is being pursued.

In addition, during this review period, we can only foresee Phase 2, so even for those that have been made a progress schedule, it is possible that Digital Agency will voluntarily work toward Phase 3, and depending on the situation, we will continue to support and support them in some way. We believe that this is not necessarily the end for those that have been completed.

In addition, Dr. Inadani commented on matters that involve risk. Please refer to page 2 for matters other than floppy disks that remain in law and elsewhere. There were 1,024 cases of floppy disks, two cases of other types in visual inspection, one case in regular inspection, one case in writing, and four cases of on-site inspection. All of these cases were due in September last year, and were a little late. A total of eight cases were all in this pattern, and it is said that such cases were completed, and examples are given about them. Although the review was conducted in this manner, there is a pattern of a slight delay, and as you said, it is possible that such cases were delayed due to some difficulty in adjustment. I believe that such cases were seen in the documents this time.

That's all for my comments.

Chairman: .

Member of Ochiai, please.

I believe that it was originally implemented by setting an intensive reform period and focusing on follow-up. In that period, it is important to first satisfy the target setting, so I believe that the progress so far has been as expected.

In the future, however, the digital part will be continuously improved, or rather, what is important among the efforts that have been made since the Digital Consultation is to consider the administrative reform part. I believe that the emphasis was on creating a mechanism in which requests are made and responses are made voluntarily as much as possible. In that sense, I believe that Technology Map has already been developed and will be maintained in the future. In this way, even without conducting a certain kind of follow-up in regulatory reform, such information will be continuously provided, and cases will be continuously published, so that it will be promoted voluntarily. I think that is one way. Since existing efforts have such implications, we will encourage continuous improvement while minimizing additional man-hours, or we will practice agile governance principles. If you consider such arrangements, I believe that you will be able to encourage improvement as much as possible without difficulty.

Chairman: .

It's true that the follow-up itself is a lot of work.

Member of Iwamura, please.

IWAMURA Member: .

As for floppy disk, I would like to ask you to continue to revise the Ministerial Ordinance at an early date. While Digital Agency is working hard to review the entire regulations on paper and in-person processes, I thought it would be a waste if floppy disk were to stand out badly, so I made a comment.

In addition, we have received quite a few inquiries from companies about the digital completion of administrative procedures. You pointed out that the follow-up work is difficult, but we would like to ask for a follow-up survey of the review in fiscal 2023.

That's all.

Chairman: .

However, as Mr. Iwamura says, one strategy is to make it stand out in a way. There are still more like this.

Counselor Dai, if you have any further comments, I would like to hear them.

Councilor Dai: Thank you very much for .

There are about 55 cases of floppy disks and other regulation left, but we are making adjustments as soon as possible, and I believe that all of them will be gone in the not-too-distant future.

In addition, with regard to the digital completion of administrative procedures, it is said that a process chart was created at the end of last year, and follow-up measures will be started from now on, so I would like to consult with you again about that.

IWAMURA Member: Thank you very much. Nice to meet you.

Chairman: .

Let's move on, then. The second item on the agenda is "Economic Effects of the regulations on paper and in-person processes Review (Final Report)." Mr. Toru Takatani of Mitsubishi Research Institute, Inc., who is entrusted with the task of analyzing the economic effects, also attended the meeting.

Then, following Mr. Mayu, Counselor of the Secretariat, please explain to Mr. Takatani.

[The "Economic Effects of the regulations on paper and in-person processes Review (Final Report)" is not disclosed.]

Chairman: Now, I would like to move on to the third item on the agenda. It is "Base Registry and Institutional Issue - Future Action Plans (Draft) -". Mr. Keibo Ura, Counselor, please.

Secretariat (): Thank you for your . Nice to meet you.

Regarding the Base Registry and Institutional Issue, the Cabinet has decided this time. I would like to introduce the bill that Digital Agency plans to submit, and based on the discussions, I would like to ask you to discuss our future policies.

First of all, regarding page 4, the bill that is scheduled to be submitted to the Diet. This is a bundle of five bills. As the background of the light blue part, I believe that the key is the declining birthrate and aging population of administrative operations, such as maintaining the public service and further improving the convenience of the people amid limited human resources in efficiency. Amidst this, it is of course necessary for digitalization to promote one stop information submission (one time only) and one stop services by promoting the further cooperation of the data held by public authorities.

At the same time, in order to promote such data connections, it is essential that the data held by public authorities is up-to-date and accurate, and that the quality of the data is ensured. At the same time, when using the data, it is of course inevitable that the data is accurately linked to the person and the identity of the person is confirmed, so it is also necessary to update the function and convenience of My Number Card, which is the mechanism. Against this background and with this intent, the bill consists of five bills.

Regarding the first point, ensuring the quality of data, the Basic Act on the Formation of digital society stipulates that the quality of data handled by information systems and base registries should be ensured as a basic policy. Based on that, we will add the matter of ensuring the quality of data to Priority plan, which will be formulated every year, and decide that it should be written in Priority plan.

In addition, in the Digital Procedures Act, we will specify specific matters for the development of the database and the promotion of data connections. The second point in the box is that we have decided to create a new base registry, the Plan for the Development and Improvement of the Basic Public Information Database, and to develop it based on it. The third point is about the specific procedures to be realized by this.

This is a registration matter pertaining to a corporation, but when the name, location, etc. are changed, the registration is first renewed. After the registration is renewed, I think that in the past, the change of the name or location was notified to the public office under the jurisdiction of the corporation, for example, to the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism in the case of the construction industry, or similarly, but if such a change can be found by public authorities looking at this database, it is not necessary to notify the change again, and a mechanism will be introduced that will deem the change to have been made.

In order to develop such a database, it is stipulated that the necessary cooperation can be requested from the National Printing Bureau and the Information-Technology Promotion Agency. As shown in the two boxes below, the Printing Bureau will be required to add duties such as data processing under the Printing Bureau Act. The same applies to IPA, but it will be required to change the laws under their respective jurisdiction in order to be in charge of standardization, which is an extremely important factor in ensuring data quality, or in order to obtain knowledge.

On the right-hand side, there are three main points related to the personal area, My Number, and My Number Card. The first is that we have been conducting My Number Information full investigation from last autumn to this year. We will provide various support to prevent the recurrence of linking errors, and Digital Agency will once again clearly indicate that full investigation will responsibly provide support to ensure accuracy, even though its main duty has been completed.

The second point is about the next My Number Card. What should be written on the ticket and what should be written on the ticket are legal matters, but the expert panel and the task force have summarized what should be written and what should be erased. Among them, there are still operations to confirm identity and prove something using the card itself, and there were opinions that addresses, names, and dates of birth should be left on the ticket. However, it is not practical to confirm gender on the ticket, so it is okay to remove it from the ticket, and if necessary, it is okay to read the information in the IC chip, so as a legal matter, I would like to remove the gender from the ticket.

At the same time, in anticipation of the full implementation of the functions of smartphone and My Number Card, we will carry out the necessary legal and environmental improvements.

That is the entire bill.

On page 5, there is a more detailed explanation of what is written in this law, such as the base registry, which you have discussed so far. Let me briefly explain. Regarding the Basic Public Information Database, the creation of a maintenance and improvement plan is a new topic. In that, we will touch on the period of the plan, what policies will be used, and the roles of the Printing Bureau and the IPA, which I mentioned earlier.

On page 6, we briefly describe what knowledge each organization has, but the Printing Bureau will take advantage of the fact that it has great know-how in handling character data in the operation of databases mainly through projects in official gazettes.

In addition, as for IPA, it is written below as "Space ID (Standard for Promoting the Use of drones, etc.)," but since activities such as creating standards for various data standards are being carried out in many fields, we will revise the law concerning IPA to cooperate with the base registry in these fields.

This is a major legal matter.

Based on that, I would like to introduce and report on the related matters in the discussions so far as our future response policy.

First of all, on page 8, regarding the database maintenance and improvement plan, the matters to be stated in the plan are specified by law, but based on that, I have an image of what kind of database will be created, and the database of registration and the database of addresses will be written separately, and in that, I would like to clarify what kind of operations will be performed by the Printing Bureau.

On page 9, with regard to the registration of commerce and real estate, I have stated that the Ministry of Justice and Digital Agency will create a mechanism for information linkages as a broad framework. In the law, public authorities basically inquires with the Ministry of Justice and the Minister of Justice, and the Minister of Justice notifies them when there is a change in the registered matters. Digital Agency will develop this information exchange system. In fact, there is a system currently operating at the Legal Affairs Bureau of the Ministry of Justice, and we are currently considering how to create a information linkages system and information exchange system in the future, so we will proceed with it.

At the same time, regarding the development of the personal data Protection Act, as you discussed at this review meeting, we will change the purpose of use. Regarding this, we will determine what to use it for in the database development and improvement plan I mentioned earlier, and based on that, we are considering changing the purpose of use.

On page 10, this is the address and location of base registry for address. First, we will work on the granularity of the town letters. During fiscal 2024, we will collect information from local government in cooperation with Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications and others, and develop an initial database. From the next fiscal year, we will keep the latest information, and the town letter level will be updated and renewed at a certain frequency, so we will collect updated information from local government as needed. In the meantime, if you refer to the town letter information in the database that public authorities has newly created in the system, you will be able to understand the notation and what kind of town letters exist in the first place.

At the same time, for information below the town name and more detailed information than that, a considerable number of data updates are required, so it is quite difficult to do this if it is currently done in analog or paper. We declared that we would consider how the system should be developed in the future, but we are currently conducting a fact-finding survey, and based on the results of the survey, we will consider the development policy and other matters in the future.

On page 11, I would like to say that we are considering this as a business to be entrusted to the Printing Bureau. The Printing Bureau has already been implementing a project to accurately and reliably handle information such as law and company public notices, conduct necessary data cleansing, and provide it stably 24 hours a day, 365 days a year in the official gazettes Project. To make use of this, we would like to ask you to process, record, store, and provide the data that constitutes the base registry. We believe that you will perform this in the registration-related database and the address-related database, and play a very important role in the operation of the base registry.

On page 12, as a reference material, I have made this a paper to publicize in an easy-to-understand manner that there will be such benefits by maintaining the base registry. Regarding corporations, it is said that it will be done once, instead of having to go through the same procedure of changing addresses multiple times. In addition, in relation to registration, there have been examples of both the people and public authorities obtaining certificates of registered matters, but I would like to make an appeal in the future because it will be convenient for the people and lead to the simplification of administration in public authorities because it will be possible to check this online, attach documents, and eliminate the need to obtain documents.

That's all for the explanation of the materials. Thank you for your questions and comments.

Chairman: Chongpo.

Then, if you have any comments on the explanation I have just given, please let me know. However, it is a terrible law. I am a little impressed.

Member of Ochiai, please.

Ochiai Member: Thank you very much.
The base registry was held many times and difficult adjustments were made, so I think it has been a truly wonderful outcome. Every year, I think it was the case when the omnibus law was enacted, and this time, the development of such data is a very central part of the national policy, so I think it is truly wonderful that each year we have left a mark.

In that sense, I understand very well that it was difficult to get to this point because we had discussions together. In that sense, first of all, I would like to increase the number of cases in which services based on this system can be implemented, including cooperation between procedures, where it is easy to say and relatively difficult to handle as an actual system, such as one time only services and omission of attachments.

I would like to comment on future points. In the future, Digital Agency, in particular, will be the center of compiling basic administrative data in the country, and I believe that law, which will be the very symbol of this, has been developed. In addition, I believe that we must continue to expand and enhance this. As expected, Digital Agency's current duty is administrative services, but for example, even in the case of the fusion of finance and transaction information, if the Zengin Bank and electricity bill dealers are doing their best, it is not always possible to make a smooth digitalization of commercial transactions. In such cases, I believe that it will be necessary to work with Peppol e-invoice and GIF. In that sense, I believe that it is also important to have private sector use what is made by the administration. In the process of creating administrative architecture, I believe that it is also important to connect this to efforts to promote efforts in areas where digitalization will become cooperative areas, particularly in the field of semi-public sector. private sector

Another is that Technology Map and others are discussing the establishment of a roadmap to achieve such a goal, and I believe that private sector companies that intend to make investments by seeing such a roadmap will increase the ripple effects of digital business. I would like to see the establishment of such strategies and roadmaps as future efforts. I believe that the Database Development and Improvement Plan is part of this, so I would like to see the Government of Japan further expand it, or advance it to the level of what kind of strategy it will be as a whole.

That's all from me.

Chairman: . It should be a catalyst for investment in private sector.

Mr. Iwamura, please.

IWAMURA Member: Thank you very much. I think you have had a hard time until now, but first of all, I would like to express my respect. I could understand the current situation well. I understand that very useful public goods are being created.

I would like to make one point each regarding confirmation and the future. First of all, as a matter to be confirmed, we are very grateful that the permission and the procedures after the change of the name and location, etc. will be realized once and only, but we recognize that it will actually be realized no earlier than 2030. I would like to confirm whether it is correct to understand that the target of the base registry improvement plan is also set to 2030.

In addition, as Professor Ochiai mentioned, I think it is necessary to make the base registry user-friendly so that various private business can use it in the future.

However, what has been bothering me recently is that there have been reports that the vendors and business operators are responsible for the delay in digitalization. Recently, there have been reports about the digitalization of work certificates and the transition of local government's core system to Government Cloud. The business operators are not opposed to digitalization. The government's proposal is to digitalization the current procedure as it is, so it has been found that the business flow will be rather complicated, and the business operators are also struggling to respond.

Keidanren has always said that digitalization and BPR need to be done as a set. Communication between the government and the private sector is an eternal Issue, but I would like to ask you to continue your efforts to realize digitalization in a form that is easy for users to use while maintaining good communication.

That's all.

Chairman: . If frass accumulates, it will be the fault of the vendor.

IWAMURA Member: Well, that's true.

Chairman: , please.

Masujima Member: I'm sorry that you joined late today, but thank you for your explanation. This revised law was very difficult as Dr. Annen mentioned earlier, but I think it was a good one.

What Digital Agency is doing now, as Digital Agency shared with us the other day, I am aware that it has been highly praised by Justice Uga of the Supreme Court. In the sense that it is unprecedented, I believe that it is very important to consider how to convey to the world that the atmosphere of society as a whole is heading in a good direction, along with the passage of the bill. The bill is a piece of content, but what is being considered in terms of how to market this content to the world? There may be an explanation by law, or a presentation at a place like RegTech Cafe, or a discussion about what kind of service can be provided if this place changes, or a hackathon or Ideathon. If there is any plan, I would like to know about it.

That's all.

Chairman: . This is really the subject of promotion.

Masujima Member: I think you are right.

Chairman: Comparison Table and the distribution of white covers.

Masujima Member: I feel it. I think the atmosphere of society will change if this place is really built.

Chairman: That's right. Thank you very much.

Member Inadani, please.

Inadani Member: Thank you, .

I have exactly the same impression as you, and I think that it is a great progress. In particular, I think that the issue of what to do in relation to the personal data Protection Act may come up in various situations in the future, but I am deeply moved that it went smoothly as a result of the very good arrangement. I truly feel that the very important base registry system is finally moving forward.

I think it will be a future story as well as you, but if you show us use cases this time and we get a sense that it is being used more and more and is very convenient, we will want to use it more and more. I think it will be a future story, but for example, as a premise for talking about the base registry, I think it was originally thought that a method such as smart contracts would be used, and that the cost of transactions would be reduced by using data well. I think it is possible that such a thing will be seen as a seed of new business, which is related to what Mr. Masushima said. I think it is very important to connect it with the roadmap that Mr. Ochiai said and make it visible.

However, if we do so, on the other hand, when it comes to whether all problems can be solved by, for example, smart contracts, as I have mentioned a little before, for example, what to do with the existing registration system in the first place, and in particular, how to consider the legal effect of registration, if the registered digitalization is not linked to the actual ownership, it will be a serious problem, so I think there will be a phase in which we should think about it. I believe that these problems will spread to other systems in the future, and if we can discuss and advance these issues in various ways in the future, I believe that this system will be used more and more as a backbone for full-scale promotion of digitalization in Japan.

, thank you very much.

Chairman: .

Registration, will it remain until the end? Thank you very much.

Counselor Liongpo, please.

Secretariat (): Thank you for your .

First of all, in terms of the timeline, it may bloom around 2030, but we will start with what we can do, and the first results themselves will be achieved in about two years, around the end of fiscal 2025, by starting the information linkages of registration after consultation with each ministry, and eliminating procedures will be realized, so we will work on what we can do in advance, without waiting until 2030.

As for the registration of the corporation, which was the first achievement, it would be good if it were to be registered in about two years, although there may be some desire. In the future, the development of the system will be included in the budget project, etc., and there is a period for it. Including that, we are working hard for about two years to produce results at that time.

Naturally, after this database system is established, it will be necessary to renew the system of the public office on the information linkages side and revise the necessary ministerial ordinances. It may not be possible to start all of these at the same time, but if the number of ministries and agencies that can do it increases, I expect that their own will also do it, and that development will proceed rapidly.

At the same time, there are many opportunities to visit not only public authorities but also local government to see the registration information. If such places are made online, it will of course directly benefit the people. Therefore, I would like to carefully consider what opportunities I can seize to spread the image of the places that are drawn as a picture on the last page of this document.

In terms of the relationship between the central and local governments, using tools such as Slack, we have started to create a platform where, for example, prefectural CiOS can directly communicate with Digital Agency. In this way, we have started to create and operate a platform where Digital Agency and local people can co-create virtually or digitally.

Digital Agency does not actually have a so-called regional office, so it is still Issue where to place contact points with the regions. First of all, we will start with a digital platform, which is typical of Digital Agency, and there are many people from private sector and local government who will be sent to Digital Agency for one or two years and return. Through these people, we will deepen our understanding of Digital Agency's efforts, and we will bring the problems on the ground in local government and Issue directly to Digital Agency. In addition, some people are creating their own solutions in Digital Agency, so I believe it is Digital Agency's mission to continue this cycle for a while.

You pointed out that there are quite a few transition to Government Cloud, but as you pointed out, we are working diligently on that as well. There are many local digitalization that are advanced to a certain extent, and business systems are assembled by vendors in packages. This transition to Government Cloud is, in a sense, a move to standardize the business operations of local government in accordance with digital technology, and in a sense, it is a move to standardize local business systems, etc., both in terms of making it easier for data connections to do business with each other and in terms of making it easier to use cloud service. If this happens, for example, depending on local government, if the system is assembled with great customization, it will be difficult to put it on the standard. For example, we need to take the opportunity of system renewal to correct the course, or as you pointed out in the middle, we need to review and change the business flow itself. It is not just digitalization and private sector, which will be changed along with the business flow, but as Digital Agency's mission, we need to do both sides of the system in a sense, and I think it is necessary to strengthen it in the future, and in that context, how to consider the division of roles between the central and local governments is a big theme in digital administrative and fiscal reform. In that context, we are about to discuss what roles the country can play in local systems, so I hope that the digital administrative and fiscal reform will also receive attention. Issue

In addition, since we are talking about the field of private sector, in terms of administrative and fiscal reform, for example, starting with the field of mobility, which is so-called semi-public sector, we are discussing with relevant ministries and agencies how to advance reform by digitalization without being closed to the administration, so I think we should watch the roles played by Digital Agency while watching the discussions there.

Thank you very much for your comments, which have many messages of support. Your expectations for the future are high, and the discussion has spread to many areas. First of all, the bill related to the base registry has just been submitted, so deliberations will be held from now on. After that, the lower law and lower ministerial ordinance will be incorporated, and we will hold on until we can make it into a form that can be used as a business. In addition, we are currently considering what form the design of the system will be, including its architecture. I think there will be another practical Issue in which we will secure a budget and develop the system, so I think we need to hold on once again.

Thank you for your guidance and support.

Chairman: , thank you very much.

In conclusion, I would like to ask for a few words from Deputy Minister of Economy, Trade and Industry Reni.

Mr. Hasui: I'm Hasui from Digital Agency, .

Thank you very much to all the members for your active speech today under the lead of Mr. Ahn Nen as usual.

The first item on the agenda is the status of follow-up to the regulations on paper and in-person processes Review, including the seven items. This was a report on the results of the follow-up to the situation at the end of December last year, and I would like to thank you very much for your positive evaluation that progress is being made. I am very grateful for your suggestion that the idea of eliminating irrational regulation as much as possible by using digital power is spreading, and I have worked on regulatory reform in various ways, so I am strongly aware of this, especially since I came to Digital Agency.

On the other hand, with regard to floppy disk, which you pointed out, the executives of the Agency have a very strong awareness of the issue, and I believe that we must continue to work on this issue firmly. Going forward, for example, toward the end of March this year, or the end of June this year, which is the deadline in a broad sense, there are still many matters that will come before the deadline for review. We will continue to coordinate with the ministries and agencies in charge of these matters, and there are also matters that will depend on the success or failure of the Technology validation, so we will continue to work on these matters based on the advice you gave us today. We would like to continue to receive the support of the members of the Agency, so please let us know.

The second item on the agenda is economic effects. Today, I conveyed the results of the detailed examination of the figures since the one presented last August. You pointed out that the deepening of the estimates and the fact that it has not been seen in regulatory reform to date will be a good example of how to achieve such effects, and you also pointed out that it will develop into EBPM, which will have a spin-off effect in various ways. Thank you very much. In order to realize such economic effects at an early date, I strongly believe that we must continue to make steady efforts to review regulation.

The third and final point is about the Base Registry and Institutional Issue. Thank you very much for your warm support. In particular, we have talked about how to make it more user-friendly, including private sector and BPR, as well as various business cooperation in private sector. In addition, as you said, we have made a white cover this time as well for the new and old comparison table and the white cover. However, there is actually debate within the Government about whether it will be necessary to make a major review in the future, including such matters. I believe that this system, including this one, has the effect of having a ripple effect on other systems. As Counselor said earlier, I would like to first have the Diet deliberate on it and aim for its early enactment. When it is enacted, the points you pointed out today are all important, so I will work hard based on the advice you gave me. semi-public sector

Thank you very much for your time today. We look forward to your continued support.

That's all.

Chairman: , Deputy Director-General, thank you very much.

Chairman: Now, I would like to ask the Secretariat to explain about the holding of the next Review Meeting.

Secretariat (Dai): Finally, I would like to explain the schedule of the next review meeting and the handling of the minutes.

The secretariat will contact you later about the schedule of the next review meeting.

In addition, regarding Agenda 2 "Economic Effects of the regulations on paper and in-person processes Review (Final Report)", if you do not have any objections, we will keep it closed to the public. Regarding the other parts, we will prepare the minutes later and disclose them after confirming them with everyone. Regarding the materials, except for the materials on Agenda 2 "Economic Effects of the regulations on paper and in-person processes Review (Final Report)," we will disclose them on the website of the Digital System Reform Review Committee later.

That's all for the explanation.

Thank you for attending today.

Chairman: With this, we conclude the 4th Digital System Reform Review Meeting. Thank you very much, everyone.