Digital Extraordinary Administrative Advisory Committee Working Group (11th meeting)

Overview

Date: Friday, May 20, 2022 (2022) from 2:30 pm to 5:00 pm
Location: Online
Agenda:
1. Opening
2. Proceedings
  1. Toward digital completion of administrative procedures based on requests from the business community
  2. Results of Review by the digitalization Review Team of Legal Affairs
  3. Regulation Consolidation Review Plan in Light of Digital Principles
  4. Exchange of opinions
3. Adjournment

Materials

Related Information

Minutes, etc.

Date

Friday, May 20, 2022 (2022) from 2:30 pm to 5:00 pm

Location

Online Meetings

Attendees

Chairman

Fumiaki Kobayashi, Senior Vice-

Members

Junji Annen (Attorney-at-law, Professor of the Graduate School of Law
Tatsuhiko Inadani (Professor, Graduate School of Law, Kyoto University)
Katsuya Uenoyama (President of PKSHA Technology, Inc.)
Takafumi Ochiai (Attorney at law, Atsumi & Sakai, Foreign Law Joint Enterprise)
Katsunori Nemoto (Senior Managing Director, Japan Business Federation)
Masakazu Masushima (Attorney-at-Law, Mori Hamada & Matsumoto)

Minutes

Secretariat (Matsuda): I would like to clarify that the , I would like to open the eleventh session of the "Digital Extraordinary Administrative Advisory Committee Working Group". Thank you very much.

Regarding the attendance of the members today, I have heard that Members Inadani, Uenoyama, and Ochiai will be attending the meeting in the middle of the meeting due to some business. Member Sugawara is absent due to some business.
Regarding the agenda related to the requests of the business community, we are planning to hold hearings, and related organizations, including the Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association, are planning to make presentations.

First of all, I would like to start today's agenda. For the rest of the agenda, I would like to ask Mr. Annen, Vice Chairman.

Thank you, Dr. Annen.

Vice-Chairman: .

There are three items on the agenda this time. The first is "Toward digital completion of Administrative Procedures, etc. Based on the Requests of the Business Community," the second is "Results of the Review by the digitalization Review Team of Legislative Affairs," and the third is "Comprehensive Review Plan for regulation in Light of the Digital Principles."

First of all, regarding the "digital completion on Administrative Procedures and Other Matters Based on Requests from the Business Community," I would like to ask Councilor Hitoshi Suga, who is in charge of the proceedings, to proceed with the proceedings.

Thank you very much, Counselor.

Secretariat (Suga): Thank you Nemoto business community, the Secretariat is working hard to identify regulation that do not conform to the Digital Principles, and at the same time, the business community is cooperating greatly in order to comprehensively identify regulation that the government cannot grasp. Since the end of last fiscal year, we have conducted a large-scale questionnaire, and as of the end of March, we reported that we had received 1,600 requests. After that, in April, we received more comprehensive recommendations from the Japan Business Federation (Keidanren), and the Secretariat carefully examined all the base law, including those projects. At present, we have received 1,900 requests from a total of 24 organizations.

Each of these is an extremely valuable request. Therefore, based on the digital principles and themes, we will categorize them as carefully as possible, and based on the categorization that we have been able to build prior examples of how we can respond in this way, we will ask each ministries and agencies to cooperate with the self-inspection, and if there is a similar regulation, we will review them collectively. We are considering the same development as the seven preceding items so far, and we would like to decide and announce the review policies for the main requests out of the 1,900 requests from the business community by the end of 2022.

Today, I would like to report on five types that seem to be able to build a precedent in advance.

First of all, at the Working Group meeting on April 20, some members pointed out that the customer journey is not visible. Taking the mobility field as an example, we would like to realize this from the users' perspective in the mobility field. At that time, we would like to ask the Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association to do something about the administrative procedures that are hindering us in these areas.

Next, regarding administrative procedures, we have found that even if we remove only the rules, if there is a system that is difficult to use, the online usage rate will not increase. Therefore, Digital Agency will lead the review of the system, and Digital Agency's CTO Fujimoto will make a presentation on the review.

In addition, we will review the rules held by each ministry. As for the Issue and notification of application documents, this is an update of what I reported last time. Today, I would like to report on the theme of digitization of data storage formats that are determined by rules and paper media that are regarded as originals by custom in official gazettes.

First of all, it is "Thorough implementation of digital principles in the mobility field and future vision." To summarize the requests from the business community received by the Digital Rincho under the keyword of automobiles, we have received a total of 242 requests, including requests for the development of a common database, not limited to administrative procedures, over the entire life cycle of automobiles from development to manufacturing to disposal. Most of these requests are from the Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association. Therefore, on behalf of the Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association, I would like to hear an explanation from Mr. Yamashita, Deputy General Manager of the Domestic Sales Division of TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION. Thank you very much.

Deputy General Manager: Today, I would like to explain what the JAMA is promoting. I will talk about it in the form of "Thorough implementation of digital principles in the mobility field and future vision."

First of all, in the Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association, a digital task force has been launched. It has been active since January 2022. In that process, the integration of My Number Card and driver's license card will start to move in the country, so I hope that we, as an industry, can take a positive view of DX.

Among them, we are considering five recommendations. The first, which I will mainly talk about this time, is digitalization of the necessary public procedures from purchase to disposal of automobiles. The second is to implement appropriate responses to emergencies / disasters by linking mobility data. The third is to promote responses to social Issue, such as carbon neutrality, by linking vehicle body data and user data. The fourth is an open data connections mechanism. Through this, we are considering connecting various industries. In the end, we, the Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association, are considering the fifth, a mobility society in which no one is left behind and all people have no trouble moving.

In this context, our team called the Digital Task Force is promoting various processes on the human axis through My Number Card and licenses, which I mentioned in my opening remarks. So, from sales to used cars, we hope to connect things that are used by customers and the people of Japan in a digital manner, and proceed while paying attention to how we can realize a mobility society in which cars are efficient, free of burden, and enjoyable for everyone.

We hope to connect administrative data and My Number, which is like a Trust anchor, to connect semi-public sector's data and private sector's data.

The Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association has actually submitted a request for 202 regulatory reform. There are various requests from development, manufacturing, sales, and utilization. Among them, this time, I would like to make several proposals in the form of My Number.

By linking My Number Card and driver's license card, I think we can organize them on the human axis. By linking vehicle IDs and human IDs, depending on the form of use, the method of use differs depending on the customer and the user, but we hope to build a highly convenient mobility society.

In this context, if My Number Card and licenses, as Trust anchors, are recognized as authentication, I believe that mobility will contribute to the digitalization of various procedures related to and to the social infrastructure of mobility industry, and in the future, cooperation with other industries will expand.

In particular, in the end, when we think about the human axis, we are considering how to make people happy and feel joy in consideration of services. We are considering this as our final goal. Today, I would like to focus on Recommendation 1 in that.

In fact, when you purchase or renew a car, there is a paper procedure like this. The content differs depending on the dealer and the type of vehicle, but I think that more or less everyone signs like this at the time of purchase. Of course, there are things that are necessary for the purchase procedure, insurance, applications for financial installments, and so on, but the current situation is that there are still paper-based procedures. Of course, there are electronic signatures and so on, but the fact that paper procedures still exist inevitably puts a burden on the dealer and the customer.

There is also a mechanism like OSS provided by the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism. This is to make many procedures for owning a car as simple as possible, and to connect it to a mechanism that allows payment including fees on the Internet.

However, as a Issue, there are variations such as vehicles that are not covered by the service, light vehicles and motorcycles are not included in this area, some are not covered by the service, and in some cases, some Issue cannot be used. In addition, a region where digital procedures and analog procedures are mixed is a region.

We have organized it as asis and tobe, but in the current situation, in the form of purchasers, business operators, and the government, there are places that are forced to impose loads, including the current regulation and certificates.

As for the expected effects, for example, if we can connect to My Number Card and digitalization, these things can be managed in a unified manner. Or, if customers can pass one application, they can connect there, which will increase convenience. Therefore, we would like to consider digitalization as a bridge to the expected effects.

In fact, even after the introduction of OSS, if you think about the purchase or replacement of a car, you need to submit documents such as a parking space certificate, or as you can see on the lower left, you need to attach a mark saying how you registered this car, or you need to go and get it.

If we model this a little, there are systems for procedures and inquiries / updates, but there are analog elements in between. In the end, there is a form of filing an application, registering it, and receiving a final mark, etc., so we hope to promote this as a complete digitalization as possible.

One is whether or not the same procedures are necessary when changing cars in terms of tax procedures and car storage locations, or whether or not the same procedures are necessary when purchasing a second car. As a base for connecting these, we hope to create a data connections based on the My Number system.

For example, this is not a restriction from a legal perspective in various ways, but until now, this has been the standard, but in the future, when promoting digitalization, we have stated several matters that must be changed while keeping this in mind.

With regard to the Digital Principles for Structural Reforms (I) to (v), I would like to summarize once again. With regard to such cases, including the digitalization related to the various procedures for A, B, C, and D that I mentioned earlier, there are various cases at the time of purchase or replacement. Based on the Digital Principles, we, the JAMA, are considering whether we can make a new one starting with the My Number Card and driver's license.

This is a digitalization for the public procedures necessary from purchase to disposal, and it is written in the form of whether or not you will consider it in the future.

In data connections, which is the starting point for My Number 2, I believe that there will be many more regulation. After fully understanding the issues of personal data conservation, including the connection of human data, I would like to discuss in various ways how to connect data. In the future, I would like to discuss in various ways how to proceed while identity and sovereignty are transferred to the consumers as much as possible.

This time, I first talked about (1) in the form of a digitalization for various procedures, including public procedures, at 1-chome, 1-banchi. Similarly, the Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association is considering proposals such as (2), (3), (4), and (5). I believe that the timing will come when we will review the regulation and rules together in various ways, so I would like to continuously discuss them toward their realization.

Finally, regarding the "mobility Vision 2050," we, the Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association, would like to engage in activities under the five themes shown here in the form of creating new value and solving mobility using Issue. Through digital and data, we hope to eventually aim for a society in which all people, things, and things can move freely.

I'm a little rushed, but that's all for the explanation. Thank you very much.

Secretariat (Suga): Thank you Nemoto , thank you very much.

First of all, if you have any comments or questions about the explanation you have just given, I would like to thank all the members.

Vice-Chairman: Chuo University. Thank you very much, Mr. Yamashita. I was impressed to hear that this is a very ambitious initiative. It is a technical issue, but at the end of the slide you showed me, "The Image of Society Targeted by data connections," it is natural to start with (1) at the bottom and work hard. However, (2), "Implementation of Appropriate Emergency Response Measures in Emergencies / Disasters through Cooperation of mobility Database," I think this will probably become a very important theme in the near future. If you have any images of the specific data connections being considered by the Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association, or its implementation, or how it will be used, please let me know.

Deputy General Manager: Thank you very much.

Regarding (ii), for the entire Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association, in the event of an emergency / disaster, some cars, including hybrids, are equipped with batteries, which can be effectively used as a power source. We are still doing this, but we do not know where the car is and how it is operating, so it is difficult to support it. Depending on the data, we can use it as a power source car, and I think that one of the things we can do in the event of a disaster is to cooperate while using the power supply and distribution system well.

In addition, in terms of disasters, as we discuss in various ways, we provide visualization in various ways, such as this is a road that can be passed or cannot be passed. In addition, this is a road designated as a disaster road, so only this resident can pass, or only this registration can pass. Depending on the cooperation of data, I think we can see what kind of situation the person and the user can use.

If the user side does not properly take ownership of how to use it in which situation, there will be parts that will not proceed if it is only the intention of the government side or the manufacturer side. Therefore, I would like to consider how to effectively use such data, including connected data.

Vice-Chairman: .

For example, I believe that the use of automobiles as power sources will be an extremely powerful use in the future. Has research on how to optimally arrange automobiles as power sources in the event of a disaster progressed to some extent?

Deputy General Manager: As far as I know, some are under consideration. Also, dealers, which is partly about Toyota, are signing disaster agreements on a prefectural and municipal basis. In such cases, we have started small trials such as registering the cars on the dealer side that can serve as power sources in what situations, and preparing to supply the necessary number of cars when necessary in the event of a disaster.

However, unfortunately, we are not in a situation where all data is connected, so we are not in a situation where we can move in a comprehensive manner, and in order to create an where it is easy to move, we recognize that digitalization, which is connected by data, is urgently needed. visualization

Vice-Chairman: . Anyway, I learned a lot.

Yamamoto-san: I'm from the Automobile Association. If you don't mind, I'd like to add one more thing. I'm Yamamoto, chairman of the Next Generation mobility Committee of the Automobile Association. It's also Toyota Motor Corporation, but right now, car manufacturers, passenger car and commercial car manufacturers, each company, and cars are being increasingly promoted to be connected. Each company is also promoting the construction of centers necessary to collect, store, and utilize data.

However, since it is maintained on a company-by-company basis, it is very difficult to achieve horizontal cooperation. To be specific, even if Mr. Honda wants to see the data of a Toyota car, for example, he cannot see it. Or, even if the data is disclosed, the rules are different in the data, so even if Mr. Honda sees it, he cannot understand what it means. Therefore, within the Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association, first of all, we will firmly create a standard interface or API that car manufacturers, including passenger cars and commercial cars, can do. Then, we will make it possible for the data centers that each company is building to have horizontal cooperation. In this way, the data created for the private use of each company can be used for the public data. data connections

One application of this is hazard maps. Of course, we can identify which roads are unpassable, but we can also identify areas where torrential rain is occurring, for example, and which roads will soon be flooded. We can use this data to prevent and predict disasters. Let's take this as an example.

Next, in order to build a charging environment in society, for example, how to cooperate with HEMS, and if so, information linkages for houses and cars will be necessary, so we would like to create rules around this area. Such a move has begun now.

That's all.

Vice-Chairman: As I was visiting you now, I was actually at a loss to say what I was most worried about. Not only the automobile industry, but also all Japanese industries, each individual company has a very strong company spirit, so there is a tendency to hold on to information. That can't be helped, and there are good points, so I don't think we can leave horizontal cooperation to the industry alone unless public office like Digi-cho does its best.

As is the case with disaster response, I am interested in electric power, but in order to make renewable energy a main power source, it is impossible without using a car as a storage battery. Storage batteries are very expensive and they are not yet practical, so we must use a car. We cannot use them unless we can break through the walls of individual companies and have horizontal cooperation. From that point of view, it is also necessary to respond to disasters and to use them as a power source. So, I strongly felt that I would like not only the industry but also the government and Mr. Suga to do their best.

Secretariat (Suga): Thank you Nemoto side will also work together to make steady progress on the public office side.

Next, Mr. Masashima, who is raising his hand, please.

Masujima Member: .

Regarding the matching of human IDs and vehicle IDs, the starting point will be humans. Is it okay to have a mechanism in which individuals can choose whether or not they want to connect with vehicle IDs and which vehicles to connect with?

Deputy General Manager: : Thank you for your question.

In the case of a car, the point is who will ride it, so if it is fortunately the same as a driver's license, it is one way of thinking, but I think it is the situation of how to connect it with a key as a trigger.

So, this is the car that Mr. Suga is driving now, and it may be owned by the owner. Who is driving it and the owner do not necessarily match. Although there is no specific architecture right now, I would like to consider a mechanism to connect these two points in the future.

For example, there are commercial, corporate, and subscription models, but in some cases, the ownership is purchased by the corporation and then transferred to you. So, how to reconcile these.

However, as you pointed out, the starting point is humans, and I would like to consider how to connect them to cars.

Masujima Member: I don't think the purpose of your question was conveyed correctly, but the idea is to connect the owner, or rather, the driver, with the car. Is this place okay?

Deputy General Manager: .

Masujima Member: I asked if the connection is mandatory. We are talking about whether it is self-sovereign.

Deputy General Manager: In that sense, if there is a premise of collecting data, it is not a duty, but if there is a will of the person, I would like to do so.

However, if you do not want to share the status of your car, for example, I think there is a variety of information that is necessary, but in order to maintain your car, please allow us to collect data for safety and security, including maintenance. Please confirm that you understand this. For example, do you want to use it to solve Issue, including carbon neutrality, or if you do not want to share it further, I am aware that on-off will be a part of the selection.

In that sense, we will consider connecting people based on their own will while maintaining self-sovereignty on the human side.

Masujima Member: I think he has a will. Of course, I don't mind if the insurance costs more if the connection is not made, but it is difficult to accept the enforcement by architecture that does not work if the connection is not made. It is said that data can be obtained from the industry side, but it is necessary to look at it from the individual side, so I think it is critically important to think about how to configure it.

Deputy General Manager: .

Secretariat (Suga): Thank you Nemoto Thank you very much.
In relation to time, I would like to receive comments from Mr. Uenoyama first.

Uenoyama Member: Thank you very much.

I believe that the design on page 5 is very important. Will it be connected n to n, or will it be divided into two stages, including the fact that this car is owned by this person and the use of it? I believe that this is the database structure of base registry itself, so I would like to ask what your thoughts are on this matter. What is your view on design?

For example, in terms of vehicle IDs, there is a unique ID called a vehicle number, which has a characteristic that is more difficult to change than a mobile phone. Please tell us your thoughts on this.

If I were to add some more questions, I would like to ask if there are any opinions, etc., such as what should be used for the existing database, which is a wedge to connect the current software, existing software, or some kind of software to the foundation or loose coupling, which I think should be done by the appropriate people in order to create this base registry.

That's all.

Deputy General Manager: : Thank you for your question.

In fact, we are now in the middle of a lively discussion on what you pointed out. I would like to talk about what kind of shape should be the ideal form and what we should do, while being introduced by METI and DADC.

One way of thinking about it may be in the future, but when My Number Card is also in the smartphone, is it better to think based on how to connect at the starting point of the smartphone you have at hand?

However, in that case, I wonder if all of the points you just pointed out will be met, and if an authenticator will be on board each time, I wonder if the conventional key would be easier.

In addition, it is common for each car manufacturer to have no ID, but we are currently sorting out the situation, including whether we should consider connecting based on the assumption that there is such a thing, and we are not yet at the stage where we can say to the manufacturer that we are considering this direction and this architecture. That is the honest status.

Uenoyama Member: , I understand. The design map is under detailed examination, so I thought it would be good to decide it in the future.

Also, in the existing database, if there is a place like this data is a key, it will be fine if there isn't, but it will be in the question part later.

Deputy General Manager: : There is no such thing as this. However, it is not a matter of combining them into one, but we are considering a concept of how to connect them.

Therefore, we are not considering it as an axis based on something, but we are at the stage of starting trials of various things, including how to connect in an empirical and distributed manner.

Therefore, the points you pointed out will be a Issue for us in the future, so I would like to have an opportunity to receive advice including such matters.

Uenoyama Member: I understand. Thank you.

Secretariat (Suga): Thank you Nemoto , please.

Inadani Member: . I am very sorry if you have already explained to me that you will be participating late today, but what I would like to confirm more is that in order to make use of this, I think it is necessary to involve Mr. local governments and others. I would like to ask if Mr. local governments is willing to work with us on this, or if we need to work to create a common foundation.

Deputy General Manager: This project was launched in January 2022, so it is still in the conceptual stage. As Yamamoto said earlier in the JAMA, we are at the stage where each company is aware of the need to do this. Therefore, we are discussing a trial with someone at the administrative level, and we are consulting with them, but there is no official action. Therefore, we will do this in the future.

In fact, there was a place called local governments. When it comes to taxes, there are some automobile taxes that are paid to prefectural governments, some that are paid to municipalities, and some that are paid to mini-vehicles. Therefore, in terms of various procedures, I recognize that it is necessary to consult carefully in various ways about how to create an ideal form along with how to classify it.

On the other hand, it has become extremely important to connect data in the event of a disaster, for example, in the event of an emergency or accident. Therefore, we have started to consider this individually, and there is no such thing that has been established in cooperation with any other party.

Inadani Member: Thank you very much.

As you have discussed, there is a problem of going beyond the silos of individual companies, but as you just said, local governments is multi-layered, and I think it will be a difficult task to create incentives by connecting complex relationships well. I thought that Issue, including Mr. Digital Agency, will be central in creating incentives. Thank you very much.

Deputy General Manager: Thank you very much.

Secretariat (Suga): Thank you Nemoto Thank you very much.
I thought Mr. Nemoto had raised his hand earlier. Is that okay?

Nemoto Constituent: Please make it time. However, in order for you to think about measures to use it not only in mobility but also more widely, I think we need to pay particular attention to (4). In addition, regarding electric power systems, we need a considerably large regulatory reform in other fields.

That's all.

Secretariat (Suga): Thank you Nemoto Thank you very much.
Well, it's just about time, so I'd like to finish the first part. Thank you very much, Mr. Yamashita, everyone from the Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association. So, from the second point on, I'd like to wrap up the Q & A session at the end.

First of all, in accordance with Attachment 2, I would like to hear a talk from Mr. Fujimoto, CTO of Digital Agency, on "A System-Based Approach to Digital Compliance of Administrative Procedures."

CTO Fujimoto, please.

CTO Fujimoto: : I am deeply aware that I have finally come to talk about this, but today, I heard that the revision of the law is of course very important in terms of conformity to the digital principles, but that alone may not be sufficient for the given goal, and that the approach to the system for implementation is also important. Naturally, Digital Agency had to consider such a matter, but today, I would like to briefly talk about the direction in which we are going to do this.

At the moment, discussions have just started in Digital Agency, so I would like to confirm if there are any gaps in the broad direction, and I would be grateful if you could give me your opinions. So, I will speak to you for five to ten minutes. Thank you very much.

If the approach is not where you are going, it will be about what you are doing, so I think it is important to set goals first.

I would like to write a short article to maximize the productivity of administrative procedures targeting business operators. Digital is just a means, so the purpose is to maximize productivity. In particular, administrative procedures are not so much about growing something, but about how to help business operators develop without becoming a bottleneck, so I think it is important to increase productivity. We would like to think about setting a goal like this.

In terms of the details, it is necessary to separately discuss what to do if there is a goal, and there are various procedures other than the business operator, such as the residents and the place in between, but I would like to do this as a major theme.

If you go to the second place, the goal is good, but I think it is important to have a clear understanding of what kind of situation it is. This is still completely in the future, but I think it is natural for Issue to receive various requests for improvement, so I think there are differences from now. I think the system provided by the government is not so different in such a case, and it is easy to find, low cost, and can be processed, and what kind of situation it is, and it will be finished as soon as possible.

To be more specific, there are various services provided by each ministry and agency, so it will be like a portal. However, it may not be necessary for the government to provide all of these services directly. We hope that there will be an API, and that it will be possible to realize such a state in cooperation with, for example, private business services.

As I will explain later, this alone is not enough to set a vision or to reach a consensus on what the state should be, so I would like to work on this separately. This is the second story.

The third is the current status and Issue setting. As I said earlier, Issue is something that everyone is seriously considering, so I would like to approach it by categorizing it into three major categories.
One thing is that there are a really huge number of procedures, so there are already quite a few services. I think e-Gov will be the main Issue, but there are some in Mynaportal for business operators, j-Grants for subsidies, and Mr. Hatakeyama for agriculture and fisheries, who is participating today, and eMAFF is progressing a lot, and each of them is a large system, so there are quite a few services, such as pensions, Hello Work, and patents, and what to do with these services is a big city.

The second is related to the fact that there are various systems, but process optimization is still a work in progress. People are angry when they say it is inevitable, but as a result, it is electronic, but it is not impossible, but the utilization rate does not increase. I think this is related to this. To put it bluntly, input items like this are troublesome, and applications and notifications like this have attached data, but handling these things is still not efficient. Also, it is OK to apply, but I don't know what is going on. As a result, it is OK to apply electronically, but the notification is sent by mail. Some people say that this is not the case. Also, processing the back side. It is better to be fast, but it is necessary to support the system to optimize these points. I think that is the second major category.

Third, in the first place, we are going to do online application, but not all of them are supported yet, so how can we absorb these things with the existing system?

In addition, this may be a little bit detailed, but the main local government will be the legal system, but there are quite a number of applications, notifications, and other applications that do not follow the legal system every day. If possible, it would be lucky for both of us to be able to support them in the same framework. In addition, the main Issue will be each ministry and agency and the country at first, but of course, there are many things in the more than 1,700 regions, so how to cover them will be quite a big point. I would like to see these three as major regions.

Fourth, it's no use talking too long, so in the last section, what should we do? This section also lists three main directions of approach.

It is said that everything will start from here, but as you mentioned earlier, what should it be, what kind of service will it be in various Issue, and will it be a sufficient answer to such things? We will make a vision of whether such a service will be sufficient. I think the vision will be ambiguous, but I think it is important to create a consensus in such a way as to be as specific as possible, including UI/UX design and simple prototypes.

In regard to this, in the past few months, Digital Agency has begun full-scale efforts to develop overall strategies for the provision of services through specific interfaces, including for the people and corporations.

First of all, I would like to make a serious effort to consider the business operators in the same way, in addition to how to design the places where various things are being done for the residents, such as Mynaportal, and how to improve the productivity of the whole country. I would like to make a serious effort to consider the business operators in the same way, when I think that this talk from the Digital Rincho is a very good opportunity. Thanks to you, we will be able to start moving around this month, and I would like to make the overall design in this context.

The second point is that it is good to do something, but we don't know whether we are progressing or not. If we can't measure whether we are doing well or not after one year, it is not very meaningful to do it in the first place. So, we need to measure such things and define whether we are improving or not. In addition, in accordance with the revision of the Act in 2021, you have compiled about 62000 cases of inventory of procedures in Excel and published them. It will be easier to update and real-time. Also, we will be able to see the situation in real time to some extent. That is what we can do. That is the second point. It is difficult for us, but we would like to do it.

The third point is that it is good to think anew about what it would be like to have, but aside from that, there are many existing services as mentioned earlier, and as online application must be done in the future, ministries and agencies must create new services under the Atchi Kotchi. I think we need to approach this. In terms of new services, it would be best to align existing systems as much as possible, so we will consult with you about this. In some cases, if there is a shortage, we will add functions in a way that will contribute to the future. By doing so, costs can be reduced and usability can be improved. This is the first point.

The second point is that if we can create a vision for the future as soon as possible for existing services, such as the e-Gov that you mentioned earlier, we will be able to minimize our debts by investing in a way that does not deviate from that vision. That is what we would like to do.

Specifically, I think it is not realistic to integrate all the systems into one system in the end, not to mention the functions. So, what should be done with the API format and signature so that they can work together? As for the data format, as I heard separately, the definitions of GIF, GovernmentInteroperabilityFramework, and the like are also advanced, so it is quite important to guide the way to match them.

I mentioned a, b, and c, but I would like to proceed with these three in mind. That is the outline of my explanation.

The schedule is still rough, so I will operate it to some extent, and when I get more specific, I will look at the schedule in more detail, and I think it is a good place to check whether it is progressing or not, so I will report to you, so I will be able to make progress in this category, and as a result, I will do my best to help you. So, I will say, "Thank you very much."

I apologize for the high level of abstraction at this stage, but I would appreciate if you could give me your opinions if you think this is better at that level or if you are thinking about this.

That's all for now. Thank you very much.

Secretariat (Suga): Thank you Nemoto , CTO, thank you very much.

Thank you very much for your sudden approach from the Digital Rincho and your immediate action in response to my request. After this, I would like to hear the opinions of the members after making several presentations.

Next, from here, I would like to explain some of the revisions to the rules, such as the revision of the written and face-to-face regulation.

First of all, we received many requests from the business community, most of which were requests for a review of written administrative procedures and face-to-face regulation. Based on this, at the previous Working Group meeting in April, we reported that it is necessary to comprehensively promote a review of rules and practices, DX of business, and system development.

As explained by CTO Fujimoto, we have decided that the Digi-cho will take a step forward and focus on the development of common information systems in e-Gov and other areas. Therefore, we are thinking of preparing ships that can be used to support online response in each local government by considering cooperation with local Issue systems and the addition and expansion of ministries and agencies and notification functions.

In addition, second, if we do not improve UI/UX from the user's point of view, the online usage rate will not increase in the end. We will conduct thorough hearings on large-scale procedures, such as more than 100,000 procedures, extract good examples, and show them as precedent cases for other systems or procedures. We will proceed with administrative procedures in the same way as the preceding seven items, and consider API cooperation and ID standardization.

After taking firm measures on the system side in this way, we will ask each ministries and agencies to review rules and practices and promote DX of business in an integrated manner to ensure that all administrative procedures conform to the digital principles.
Originally, the regulation Office has already decided to make written and face-to-face administrative procedures online by the twenty twenty-five as a general rule, but we are also considering reviewing the procedures for transmitting information from the administration, such as the Issue, to the private sector in addition to the application so that the digital completion can be made end-to-end.

Next, there is a data storage format regulation. Strictly speaking, it is not a written regulation but can be submitted digitally, but for some reason there are still regulations that require it to be stored in physical media and submitted. There are still regulations that require the submission of documents stored in physical storage media such as floppy disk, CDs, and DVDs for multiple administrative procedures such as applications and notifications, so we have received multiple requests from the business community that we would like to enable online procedures that do not require media for the transfer of data.

With regard to some of these procedures, the ministries and agencies in charge have already realized or planned to make them online, so we have been considering other procedures with each ministry.

I would like to introduce this as a possible precedent. First of all, the Ministry of the Environment has established a policy to review the provisions of the Ministerial Ordinance on the Soil Contamination Countermeasures Act and other laws and regulations that stipulate that "procedures using optical disks instead of documents are allowed" so as not to cause the misunderstanding that the procedures are limited to optical disks.

After thoroughly reviewing the rules, we will first make a recommendation to each local government so that even large amounts of data that cannot be exchanged unless stored in optical disks can be received online by e-mail or using the exchange system. In addition, since you have prepared an online application system called eMOE, we will start operating the system in fiscal 2024 as soon as the system is ready.

If the Soil Contamination Countermeasures Law and other prior examples are successfully enacted, the Ministry of the Environment as a whole will identify similar regulations and gradually move forward with online implementation. As the Digital Rincho, I would like to sweat about expanding the Ministry of the Environment's prior efforts to the entire government.

If you search on a keyword basis to see how many similar regulations there are, you will get 2,300 hits. However, there are a number of cases in which multiple words appear in the same regulation, and there are a considerable number of cases that are not regulation of administrative procedures, so the Secretariat will carefully examine them and expand them horizontally.

That was the story of data storage format regulation.

Finally, I would like to explain about the realization of electronic official gazettes.

We have received requests from the business community for the realization of electronic official gazettes because the fact that the original copy of official gazettes is a paper medium has had a ripple effect in various fields, and as a result, we have been unable to abolish paper documents or reuse data.

Regarding this matter, we began by identifying who should be gathered to review the regulations of official gazettes, and at last, the parties concerned have been able to gather. First of all, in order to position the Internet version of official gazettes and the PDF version of official gazettes, which are distributed by the National Printing Bureau, as official gazettes alongside paper, the Cabinet Office and the Printing Bureau will play a central role, and the General Affairs Office of the Cabinet Secretariat, Ministry of Finance, and related organizations such as the Digital Ad Hoc Liaison Office will firmly cooperate, and we have agreed to first identify the Issue and create a process plan by the end of this year.

In addition, as a medium - to long-term Issue, PDF official gazettes is extremely difficult to reuse and has no searchability. Therefore, we will consider whether it is possible to include a data format that can be reused as an ideal form of electronic official gazettes.

As a reference material in Attachment 3, we also provide a "Survey of Cases Relating to digitalization of Legal Affairs in Foreign Countries (Interim Report)." As you can see in this report, in foreign countries, for example, paper official gazettes has already been abolished in Denmark in 2008 and in Germany in 2012, and only electronic official gazettes has been used. You may think that it is a simple story, but there are many points to be discussed, so I am writing here.

First of all, when official gazettes is written in law, it is necessary to confirm whether or not the Internet version of official gazettes can be included as a concept. At that time, there are arguments that if paper official gazettes is abolished and only the electronic version is made, it is highly likely that legislative measures will be necessary. Or if paper and electronic are made to coexist, the electronic version will also have originality. There are arguments about what legal meaning this has and whether legislative measures are necessary.

In addition, as for the systems that use official gazettes, official gazettes is not only used for the promulgation of law, but it has been pointed out that it is necessary to firmly confirm whether each system that uses official gazettes allows the form of official gazettes other than paper in the first place. Under the leadership of the Cabinet Office and the Printing Bureau, each ministry and agency will conduct a comprehensive survey on the use of each system that uses official gazettes, and it is scheduled to be published recently. After thoroughly investigating such matters, the PDF version of official gazettes will be positioned as official gazettes. Furthermore, after that, we will consider the ideal form of electronic official gazettes that is not just a paper version in PDF.

The next page is for reference information. There used to be a rule that law was to be promulgated in official gazettes, but now it is in the form of Vice-Minister's Meeting Understanding. About 660 law use it to promulgate, publicize, and publicly notify in official gazettes.

In addition, it has been stated in the Diet that the Internet version of official gazettes is currently treated by the government as an adjunct to paper official gazettes, and it is likely that we will have to change this.

I am sorry to rush you, but the secretariat has made a report. Dear members, if you have any opinions or questions about the explanation so far, I would like to hear them.

Mr. Inadani, please.

Inadani Member: I have been concerned about two or more difficult issues for a long time, and I would like to ask what kind of image they will be. One is related to what the original is. In other words, considering that the data itself will become the original in the future, it may be a quite troublesome issue, but in theory, there is a possibility that what is not in a state that can be read by people as it is will become the original. Until now, what is in paper or media is the original, so what should be said to be the original in a state that can be read by people may be said to be the original somewhere, but I feel that this is not the case, and I believe that this will be difficult in the medium to long term. However, at the same time, I believe that the Ministry of the Environment is working to complete the process with data, not optical disks, so I think that it is already possible to see to some extent that this method will work in practice, and I would like to ask you if you have any image of how this will be advanced in the future.

The other point is that this is a question or a request, but I don't necessarily know if it is the theme of this time or not based on my own experience. When we came to the topic of connecting data and completing it digitally at once, as I said in my talk with the Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association earlier, I felt that it would be difficult to provide one stop service without a mechanism to promote cooperation by local governments.

To be specific, I moved between the third and second doses of the vaccine. And the third dose vaccination ticket came from the previous local governments. I could identify myself with my My Number, and moreover, I could find out that I had been vaccinated twice through the app, and even in the new local governments, I was able to get vaccinated online. In other words, I was told that I could get vaccinated, and when I went to the site, I was told that I couldn't get vaccinated because the vaccination ticket had not yet been received from the new local governments. I had surplus vaccines, and I could identify myself, and I had completed the second dose, and I was already ready for the third dose, and I had data on my move, but I could not get vaccinated because I did not have paper vaccination rights. Personally, I was very thoughtful about why this was happening. I didn't know why this was happening.

In terms of the purpose, I feel that it is fine if there is a mechanism to confirm that the person has been hit. In other words, from the perspective of the residents, there are quite a few situations where the meaning of the regulation and procedures in local governments is not well understood. In particular, after moving this time, it became very clear. If the project to be promoted jointly with the national government becomes so complex just by moving across local governments, I feel that cooperation between local governments must be done seriously, or something will surely be hindered in digitalization. I would like you to think about the mechanism well.

Secretariat (Suga): Thank you Nemoto Thank you very much.

In response, the digitalization Study Team of the Legislative Affairs Office of the Digital Consultation has been conducting similar discussions, but I think it will be necessary to sort out what kind of format the original and the digital original should be in order to be established. I think this will be in the order of the Study Team to discuss in advance and give feedback.

Also, I am very sorry to hear that you suffered damage during your move. This is exactly the point that Chairman Kobayashi has been saying for a long time, and I believe that the fact that we are causing inconvenience to all of you in a place that has absolutely nothing to do with the main purpose of local autonomy means that the Government of Japan must firmly come forward and control traffic, and we must play our role.

If we create a system like the one in e-Gov that CTO Fujimoto explained to us now, I think we will be able to realize that the data that we want to use in local government's business is the same as your interface, and you can use it in each local government in an easy-to-use manner.

As for the requests from the business community, many people have pointed out that they do not want the application and notification forms to be different depending on the local government. They have given examples and law examples, so I recognize this as a major issue, and I think that was mentioned in the presentation by the Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association earlier. First of all, we would like you to do what can be solved by the system, and if there is a Issue, we would like to solve it in terms of rules. We would like to firmly respond to this as a major issue in the future.

Inadani Member: Thank you very much. Please do so.
I feel that there is a way to manage personal data that is used many times and data that is required to be submitted many times in various places in a centralized manner so that it can be accessed when necessary. While taking this into consideration, it may be necessary to revise the law for secondary use, but I would like to work together to realize the most efficient state by combining these factors. I would like to ask for your continued support.

Secretariat (Suga): Thank you Nemoto Thank you very much.
Masushima-sensei, please.

Masujima Member: .

Mr. Fujimoto was the CTO of private sector for the first time, and I heard a lot of very interesting stories. I wanted to know one thing. In the whole project, I wanted to know how the public-private partnership, or how the power of the people of private sector will be leveraged to speed up the whole project, and how it will be accelerated. I think the system that exists now is the UI part after all. I think private sector will do the service layer. Then, various things will come out in the UI part, and I have an image that will attach various things to connect which ones, and this will be convenient.

In that case, there will be various discussions on how to connect one to another, how to connect easily, and how to cut off APIs. I had a slight image that cutting off APIs would require a community with private sector operators, like AWS, or something like that. Could you give us some suggestions on what is being considered?

CTO Fujimoto: , I understand that you feel like you are passing through at a time like this, but I think there are several approaches to an abstract story about how to utilize the power of private sector, and I'm not answering directly, but I'm also saying that there are a certain number of Digital Agency people in private sector, and there are hundreds of them on order, so I can say that I will make them the interface, but I will do one thing that will be easy to do. It's not a big story, and it's not the main story, but I would like to take this as an opportunity.

Second, in e-Gov, there are already a certain number of APIs that have been opened and connected to private sector, but they are still not enough in terms of recognition, ease of use, or size.

When I think about this, I think the other part that will be important to me is the authentication part. This is just my personal opinion, but I would like to do it properly.

In that case, as I said at the beginning earlier, for example, aside from what ID numbers to use for authentication in My Number Card, if there is a reliable authentication service that uses ID numbers as Trust anchors, the number of business operators who use it can increase significantly. If so, the number of business operators who are connected to the community by using it will increase. If so, it will be easier to advertise and market APIs to such people, so I think they are saying that it is not enough to create a good product, but to use the community, and the system seems to be a little difficult, troublesome, and difficult, so it is important to lower it. My company has been running such a platform, so it is important for the company to make good use of people from private sector, such as developer relations.

As for the discussion, thankfully, administrative officials are also involved, so there are no obstacles to doing it, so I don't think there are many political obstacles, so I have an image that it will be possible.

Masujima Member: Thank you very much.

When I talked about reading and writing, I thought it would be convenient if private sector could make an application to write in the database, and the world of digital completion would be closer, but on the other hand, there might be a talk about opening up to this extent from the perspective of security. I guess there are various discussions about this. What are you talking about?

CTO Fujimoto: Light, and if everyone is allowed to open it up, it will be like they don't know what will happen, so it will be like they have to go through a moderate screening, or there are actually some business operators who use the public certification infrastructure of JPKI. There are quite a few, like 100 companies, but the recognition itself is still low.

Also, although we have confidence in the technology, there are places where we can't get them to do it because of the high cost of implementation, so we are gradually increasing the number of engineers who make things in-house, so we are still thinking about making SEK or samples, but I hope we can do it.

Masujima Member: . I was very excited to hear your story.

Secretariat (Suga): Thank you Nemoto Thank you very much.

What do you think, Mr. Nemoto?

Nemoto Constituent: Please make it . Your speech of support for Mr. Fujimoto is a great one.

In the first explanation, the point of productivity by the business operator is extremely important. It is actually improvements in productivity as a whole, but the point of view by the business operator is extremely important. Various administrative procedures of the government office are probably system design in which the efficiency of the government office side or the efficiency of each department of the government office is considered as the top priority. I took it as a declaration to drastically change it, and I felt very encouraged. I would like you to persevere.

At that time, as mentioned in some of the materials, I would like you to make a visualization so that you can see what is happening in the administration from the outside. As mentioned in some of the materials, I would like you to do that. In fact, there are various detailed procedures that have stopped going online. There are various problems that if you do not have such procedures, you cannot make a digital completion from one end to the other, so I would like you to do your best there.

Also, in relation to Mr. Inadani's remarks, I believe that public service IDs have been raised several times for problems in each local local government. Is there any way to make it possible to fully use the services used in some local government or to have them used? We already have a system in place, and we know that the overall efficiency will increase significantly, but I wonder why this cannot be used.

Just two more points. Regarding official gazettes, it is sufficient to change the answer in the Diet. The legal system in which paper is the original is not written anywhere in the materials I mentioned earlier. I am fully aware that it is very difficult to change the answer, but I would be grateful if you could respond in that way based on the law to switch to digital first.

There is one serious problem. There was no question and answer session at the last meeting, but the issue of the disclosure of agricultural land data was raised. After that, I discussed with the secretariat and said, "I am absolutely opposed to lowering the level of disclosure." I raised Issue that it is not an issue that can be dealt with by one issue alone, because it is related to the issue of how much real estate registry and other base registry that has been disclosed will be disclosed. I would like you to stop making a decision to not disclose personal data that has already been disclosed. I think we can handle the issue of who can see it, but I felt that the discussion was in the direction of stopping the disclosure itself, so I dared to say so here. Thank you very much.

CTO Fujimoto: Thank you very much. I will do my best.

Secretariat (Suga): Thank you Nemoto was an encouragement to Mr. Fujimoto. With the participation of the CTO, this discussion suddenly became three dimensional and the ship to be boarded became visible. We also thought it was extremely irresponsible to say that there was no destination just because we asked to digitize, so we are very grateful.

With regard to official gazettes, I would like to do my best, although there are many issues to be resolved legally, while saying that I will only change my answer.

Also, I have already heard about the subject of agricultural land, but I understand your purpose. Thank you very much.

Okay, Ochiai member, please.

Ochiai Member: Thank you very much.

First of all, I would like the CTO to work hard on the initiative, and I would like to thank you for organizing it so far. In addition, what I would like to ask is that when I look at it from the perspective of regulatory reform, it often happens that each process is not properly digitalization, and in many cases, it is just before digitalization. I thought that it would proceed quite a bit in the form that you have just organized. On the other hand, even if we proceed with logistics, it is not one time only, so we have to deal with various procedures separately, and I think that you do not feel much convenience. In most cases, I think that there is nothing you can do because the UI/UX is bad in the first place, but even if the UI/UX is improved, I think that there are quite a few cases where you are worried about whether you will feel improved.

At that time, rather than a problem of the system itself, I feel that problems due to the fact that it is vertically divided are likely to occur. I would like to ask what will happen when such a one of-a-kind system is connected in multiple fields. In relation to this, at the regulatory reform Working of the Digital infrastructure Promotion Council, it is discussed that each ministry and agency will create a system. The National Police Agency will create a system, the Ministry of Justice will create a system about this, and ● ● Ministry will create that system, but the timing is all different.

As for the content of each system, I think I can say that it is possible, but I would like to know if there is anything that is devised in terms of how to ensure consistency in multiple systems. What do you think?

CTO Fujimoto: Thank you very much.

2. In the beginning, I think there are quite a few ways to approach it, but I may be told that you have low ambitions. In any case, it is more important than anything to be able to read and write on a machine than on paper. If you look at it in detail, there are many ways to approach it. For example, whether you have three or four places to write, if you want to do it on a machine, you can just copy and paste it. Or you can write a wrapper that automatically inputs those places, and if you have more than one place, you can automatically register the same place as more than one place. What is more important than anything is to at least be able to do that, and to be able to read and write on a computer. First of all, I think it is important to take it to a situation where you can read and write on a computer. I don't think it is a good idea to stop there, but I think it is quite important to go there first.

Once we get to that point, there is a gap between here and here, so I think it will overlap with the next story of how to optimize. The most important thing to realize here is to make it possible to read and write on a computer. Regardless of whether it is a human or another computer that inputs data, by doing so, UI/UX will naturally exist, but a foundation that can do it will be created, so I personally want to aim for that first.

The second point is that I am working on a common division in the company. For example, I think Digital Agency is also quite strong in this regard. We are working on this from the center, so everyone should use it. In that case, it is not about Digital Agency. In general, for example, if there is a group company and a division in the center, and we use this system, each business operator and subsidiaries use this system because it is the best. This is a problem that continues to occur around the world, and in essence, it will definitely occur, and I think it is important to start by looking at the reality that it cannot be eliminated.

There are several governance models, and the optimal solution varies depending on the case. However, as a direction to organize, there are not so many, and it is important to draw a line that says that they will definitely do it on their own. For such things, in the form of some kind of governance, please make sure that it is done by the central government. In return, I will take responsibility for it. As for other things, there may be a pattern that has just been created, or in a very special case, for example, there is something that is difficult to do on its own because the confidentiality is completely different from that of other companies. That may be good, but from my point of view, as the system configuration or interface, please make sure that this part is protected. Please make sure that there are several requirements to be met, even if the system is separate.

In the end, if you do everything, for example, 100%, you will never reach the goal for the rest of your life. So, for example, 3% or 5% of them, or extreme theories, there is no way that such things can remain. As I said earlier, even if you do all of these things once, there is a possibility that they will always continue to occur. So, the requirements will continue to change. If you do this while thinking that this is something or other, you may think that your ambitions are really low. But what I think is, when creating software or a system like this, it doesn't have to be perfect, so it doesn't matter if it's 1% or 2%. I think it's most important to continue to do that. So, today is better than yesterday, and tomorrow is better than today. It doesn't have to be 100%, but we will continue to do that. In order to do that, we will decide what to do first, and we will continue to do so without stopping. In the end, I think we will reach something better than creating something amazing all of a sudden.

I went to Atchi Kotchi and talked a lot, but I thought it would be nice if it could be conveyed somehow, so I talked.

Ochiai Member: Yes, I think you've said enough.

May I make a comment based on your explanation?

Secretariat (Suga): Thank you Nemoto I'm sorry. It's time, so please tell me again.

CTO Fujimoto: I'm sorry, I've been talking for a long time. If you don't mind, I would appreciate it if you could give me a chat comment.

Secretariat (Suga): Thank you Nemoto If you don't mind, I would appreciate it if you could send any additional comments to the chat or to the secretariat.

Then, through the entire proceedings so far, I would like to return the proceedings by receiving the summary opinion from Mr. Ahn Nen.

Vice-Chairman: .

Thank you very much for your active presentation and Q & A, as usual. Now that a person like CTO Fujimoto is a high-ranking government official, I am thinking back that Japan may not have abandoned it.

As the CTO said, I think a certain kind of conceptual design is very important. In particular, Japanese people do conceptual design about products and equipment, but they are not good at institutional conceptual design. If they do not do that, they will not know what they are doing for when the story becomes detailed. In order to reflect on it, I think conceptual design is very important.

Then, the story of local governments repeatedly came up, but in the end, this is something that can be done, and although the language is bad, I think it is a reality that we have no choice but to use deception for the time being. In that case, everyone says that we have no choice but to work together through APIs, but I thought that we had to do a kind of conceptual design to figure out what kind of API to create.

After listening to the story of the Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association, I thought to myself, "If we don't think about scalability from the beginning, there is a possibility that we will build too much and will not be able to apply it at all." I thought to myself, "If we don't think about scalability from the beginning, there is a possibility that the investment will be wasted." That is what I keenly felt. In any case, there is nothing new for Issue, and I think we have just been unable to implement it until now.

Finally, with regard to official gazettes, of course, as Mr. Nemoto said, I think it is only necessary to change the answers in the National Assembly, that is, to change the Cabinet Decision. Since even the exercise of the right to collective self-defense has become possible by Cabinet Decision, it is certain that official gazettes can consider this.

That's all.
Then, I would like to ask Councilor Hitoshi Suga to continue with the explanation of the "Results of the Review by the digitalization Review Team of Legal Affairs" and Councilor Matsuda of the Secretariat to continue with the explanation of the "Comprehensive Review Plan for regulation in the Light of the Digital Principles." Thank you very much.

Secretariat (Suga): Thank you Nemoto Thank you for your continued support.

I would like to briefly report on the results of the review by the digitalization Review Team of the Legal Affairs Office.

There are two issues of concern. First, how should we design the process of constantly, autonomously, and efficiently confirming the compatibility of digital principles within the government, as is currently done in the Digital Policy Consultation? Second, when we consider improving the accessibility of law to the people, it is necessary to first provide law's digital original copy. These are the two issues.

Regarding the first one, digitalization of legal affairs and design of the process of confirmation of the conformity of digital principles, we are considering three stages. First, we would like Digital Agency to formulate specific guidelines so that each ministries and agencies can autonomously check the conformity of digital principles, and we would like to discuss and decide them at a public meeting.

Second, when drafting a new bill, Digital Agency will be responsible for independently confirming the conformity of the Digital Principles, which is assumed to be before the preliminary examination by the Legislative Bureau. For the ministerial ordinances and subsequent ordinances, the Cabinet Office and each Ministry will be asked to independently confirm the conformity before the Public Comment Session and before the policy is finalized. With regard to the existing law, I would like to firmly establish the future confirmation process in which Technology Map will take the lead in conducting inspections, such as a review in accordance with the progress of technology and a review based on requests from the business community, using Digital Agency, and install it in the Government.

Third, rather than ending with the creation of a law, we will create a design and institutionalize a process of coordination at the stage of execution, and a process in which the Cabinet Office and each Ministry gather in advance and agree on how to structure the system, procedure flow, and system for execution. We will work on these three stages.

With regard to the digital original copy of the law Report, which is related to the issue of electronic official gazettes, basically, the Cabinet Office and each Ministry will modify the same database of law to complete the bill, and the method of releasing the information will be separately discussed. First, we will investigate and consider what kind of revision method is necessary for the legislative affairs of each Ministry.

In addition, we would like to drastically expand the functions of the existing e-LAWS in order to build an environment in which the digital original copy of law can always be referenced.

The above is our explanation. As a schedule, I would like to advance these two points in order by the end of the intensive reform period of twenty twenty-five.

That's all.

Secretariat (Matsuda): I would like to clarify that the Next, I would like to give a general explanation of the content of the regulation Comprehensive Review Plan in light of the Digital Principles. I believe there are some parts that you have seen in advance, but I will focus on the points.

The outline was discussed at the previous working group meeting, and we are fleshing it out while coordinating with each ministry.

In the "Background" section, I would like to discuss economic growth, responses to the labor shortage, and comprehensive matters including administrative reform. I would like to state that we will do exactly that here.

In 2nd part, the Digital Principles are re-described as the premise of the whole, and since it was decided last December, we have firmly included it in this document in order to continue to say it and spread it.

It is about the "Positioning and Basic Policies of the Comprehensive Review Plan." It is about the approach to the review of regulations on paper and in-person processes, the spread to local areas, and the utilization of technology companies. As Counselor Suga explained, it is about future efforts toward the digitalization of legal affairs. In addition, I am writing about the transformation to a government suitable for the digital age, including administrative reforms.

During the three year intensive reform period, there were various discussions on the period from when to when. However, we will clearly implement all of these measures in the three years from July 2022 to June twenty twenty-five, and we will work on them intensively with a sense of speed in the three years.

This is the effect we aim for. In this regard, we will aim for such effects, while referring to the cost of administrative procedures, such as those used in the past digital era, the introduction of AI, etc., and the expansion of the market scale of cloud-based electronic contract services when it became impossible to determine. In addition, we are talking about the labor shortage on the ground. There is an expectation that there will be about 100 million people in 2050, and the population of more than 20 million will decrease, and the working-age population will also decrease. This paper also describes how to protect and improve safty and security services. In the fourth part, it says that it will also lead to reform of the way of administration, and that the administration will respond in a more rational manner. In addition, it says that by grasping real-time data, the way of administration will be changed in conjunction with the penetration and establishment of EBPM.

In (5), "agile type Review Approach," I wrote that the review itself will be agile, and that it will be flexible in response to changes in technology.

The next section is a column, but it is about [Three Characteristics of the Digital Consultation Initiative]. This time, I am writing three important ideas that we will promote over the next three years, as well as lines that are easy to understand externally, which are summarized by our discussions.

The first is not only "point reform," but also "surface reform." We are currently discussing seven items, and we will change them in a cross-sectional manner. The second is to receive individual requests, and of course it is important to have requests, but rather than responding only to them, we will advance technology-based reform, in which we will fix all the things that can be fixed by technology. The third is not only "current reform," but also "future reform," and we will actively make good new legislation that will come out in the future.

3. Returning to the main text, regarding the "Review of regulations on paper and in-person processes" and "Response to Laws, Cabinet Orders, and Ministerial Ordinances," 5,000 provision is first referred to as a law, a cabinet order, and a ministerial ordinance.

Furthermore, I would like to ask you to go under that, and first of all, I will clearly indicate seven items and then organize the types and phases. Here, it says Attachment, but I have attached a PowerPoint, and in that, I am thinking of fixing the types and phases that you discussed at the level of the Cabinet Decision again this time.

In the column, I wrote that I believe that the cross-sectional review of regulation is actually a quantitative change that eventually brings about a qualitative change, reflecting the opinions I received from the professors.
Below that, in "Concepts of Categorization and Phases," I am writing the essence of the seven concepts. I am writing that we will process them in a cross-sectional manner by classifying them into categories and phases.
In addition, this is what I wrote about visual inspection and on-site inspection. The other seven items are all shown in the attached PowerPoint.

This is the "Status of Inspections of Laws, Cabinet Orders, and Ministerial Orders Concerning the Seven Items." As I will explain later, we will temporarily establish the overall policies for 5,000. However, we will consider two main types of review. One is the review phase that has already been decided, and the other is the continued review because it is still necessary to consider technical Issue and other matters, including coordination. However, as I will explain later, we would like to conclude the final review of the continued review by September and process the entire issue.

Based on the "Submission and Publication of the Review Process Chart," we would like to proceed with the final review to be submitted by the Cabinet Office and each Ministry at the end of September, including the ongoing review of the remaining members, and the overall process chart to be disclosed at the end of December.

In the meantime, after you submit it in September, I would like to have time for the Working Group to work on it again. I would like to thoroughly study and organize the documents submitted by the Cabinet Office and each Ministry, and finally submit a specific schedule in December.
As for the "Response to Notifications and Notices," as I mentioned in the attachment, I understand that there are more than 10,000 Issue, so I would like to present a list of them in the same way, and determine the time frame for communication with each ministry.

We have received 1,900 requests from the business community. Including what we just discussed today, we will conduct a comprehensive review while proceeding with self-inspections from the types for which we were able to build prior cases. By the end of the year, we will decide on the type of review to be conducted and the target of the review, and we will publicize this policy.

In the "Construction of Precedent Cases," including what you discussed today, I would like to write a little about the future direction of electronic official gazettes, review of Issue and notifications, digital utilization of identity verification methods, simplification and efficiency of address change procedures associated with moving, and digitalization of administrative procedures in the mobility field. I also write about data storage in floppy disk.

In (iii), "Cooperation with the regulatory reform Promotion Council," I wrote that we will firmly cooperate to ensure that each Issue is made up of regulatory reform, and that we will take what emerges from there as a precedent and develop it horizontally.

4. Regarding the "regulation Review Approach," one is the comprehensive revision of the law Act, which will advance legal reform in a package. In addition, regarding government ordinances and ministerial ordinances, we would like to develop a model provision if possible, and each ministry and agency would like to process them in the same way, and we are also considering that. The same approach applies to notifications and notifications.

As for the review through Technical validation (2), I would like to request that Digital Agency be able to secure a specific budget for the scheme to advance Technical validation. Basically, in order to have each ministry use a solid one, Digital Agency will also develop budgetary measures to support it.

In the column, , I wrote what I received as input that it is important to objectively and rationally determine which is better between digital and analog methods, accumulate it, and use it across the government or use it in local government.

Below that, with regard to the system, as CTO Fujimoto mentioned today, I also wrote about how to incorporate it into the system and how to realize it. From the perspective of how to allocate the budget allocated in a lump sum by Digital Agency, I have set a direction that we will firmly respond to digitalization's needs for procedures.

Part 5 is "Support for Efforts in local governments," which describes the discussions you have made, such as providing guidance to local governments and supporting voluntary efforts.

As for the "Examination and Development of the Technology Map / Catalog," it is exactly two sides of the same coin with the Technology validation Scheme, or it is for that purpose. In order to develop the Technology Map, the Working Group has created a draft of some kind, and I would like to proceed with the further materialization, refinement, and enhancement of this. It is stated that the Technology Map / Catalog and the list will be further enhanced and made available to everyone by rotating this cycle over several years. Below this, I am writing a little concrete part of the Technology Map / Catalog.

Part 6 is "Efforts toward digitalization of Legal Affairs," which is what Mr. Suga just explained. It is about responses at the time of new legislation and when specific guidelines will be formulated. It is written that it will be implemented on a trial basis from among the bills submitted to the Ordinary Session of the Diet in 2024.

The next page is written in the section titled "Establishment of a system to provide digital original copies of law Date."

In 7, I wrote a little about the relationship between administrative reform, "How to form and evaluate agile and flexible policies." I will also input the details of agile governance, which will be discussed in another working session.
In addition, "Securing and utilizing digital human resources in the government, improving workplace environments using digital technology, etc." are also described.

Next, I would like you to briefly go to page 6 of the PowerPoint as an attachment, and look at the types and phases discussed by the Working Group. Please take a look at page 12, and I am writing that we will review all of them in accordance with the detailed concept.

Next is the process chart on page 21. First of all, regarding 5,000, in the upper left corner, it will be compiled into a comprehensive review plan for the entire regulation, including those other than 5,000. Among them, regarding 5,000, I believe there are two types, provision for which the policies have been finalized and provision for which continued consideration will be made, and among 5,000, those for which the policies can be finalized at the same time as the comprehensive review plan for regulation will be pinned down and reduced to the process. Regarding provision for which continued consideration will be made, it will take some time for technical validation and coordination among ministries, but we would like to have a draft of the process chart submitted by September, so we will decide on 5,000 in total. After that, we will make the process chart public, and I would like to have it discussed at the working group during that time, and finally make it a solid one.

There is a new inspection provision in the upper left corner. In fact, there may be some ministries and agencies that responded in a very sincere manner. In fact, there were about 1,000 ministries and agencies that we could not search for, or in detail, there were about 1,000 ministries and agencies that could hardly be found by searching for sub-ministries under the Ministerial Ordinance. We are very grateful that they took this seriously, but we would like to decide on these policies in September.

Below that, I would like to discuss a comprehensive revision of the law, and I would like to submit it as early as possible during the three sessions of the Diet during the three year intensive reform period.
In addition, we know from our preliminary research that there are more than 10,000 provision for notifications alone, but after the plan is decided, each ministry will present a specific list and review the policies. In 2023, the policies will be reviewed and revised.

In addition, there is a little dotted line at the bottom, but we would like to have them decide what they can fix by December and fix them at the same time, as we will have them fix what they can fix quickly with the notification.
Requests from the business community will be processed in 2023 and 2024 by building and classifying leading cases by the end of the year.

As for system development, we will consider system development with related parties and vendors and incorporate it into the system while incorporating it into our medium - to long-term system investment plan.

The examination and implementation of the Technology validation Scheme will also be concretized using requests in the summer, etc., and the Technology validation in the first and second phases will be advanced.

I wrote that we will publish a manual for local areas by the end of this year.

As Mr. Suga mentioned earlier, the schedule for legal affairs is also included here. Near the end, on page 34, there is also a schedule for legal affairs toward digitalization, which has various elements, so we will create the specific guidelines I mentioned earlier.

Regarding the incorporation into the legislative process, it is stated that detailed design will be made in the future so that it can be confirmed through trials from among the bills to be submitted to the Ordinary Session of the Diet in R6.

Finally, I would like to prepare a separate table for the Comprehensive Review Plan. Regarding 5,000, at present, policies have been finalized at the same time as the Comprehensive Review Plan, and discussions have been made at the Working Group. We are working with the Cabinet Office and each Ministry on this. We will describe this in detail. We will specify from which phase to which phase the transition will be made, the timing of the review, and so on.

Appendix 2 is the Continued Consideration List, and we would like to pin down the items that still need further consideration, including technical Issue, and bring them to the final review level of Appendix 1 by September.

Although this is still being calculated within the Government of Japan, if I were to give you a rough idea of the current situation, out of the 5,000, when we counted the progress made in our communications with the Cabinet Office and each Ministry before the Golden Week holidays, it was found that around 1,500 out of 5,000 could be included in the Final List of Policies as of the time before the Golden Week holidays. In that sense, there were quite a few ministries and agencies that had agreed to the review phase, including the heavy regulation.
This is very much an internal matter, but after that, at the Vice-Minister's Meeting, we conveyed the progress of each ministry and asked for further progress. Later, on May 13, at the Ministerial Roundtable, Mr. Makishima reported on the situation at the Vice-Minister's Meeting, using the same paper as it was. Although the paper has not been distributed, he reported that some ministries and agencies are making steady progress and some are not yet making sufficient progress. The Prime Minister said that we should make as much decisions as possible by the time the plan is compiled, and he asked for each minister and each ministry to make progress so that concrete results can be achieved. Since then, during the Golden Week holidays, we have been making adjustments. As of this week, there are 2,900 agreements on the review of 1, which is on the upper right.

This is very detailed, but I think the base number is 5,911 in the lower right. This is being totaled, and in fact, the laws that are under the same jurisdiction are counted as they are, so 5,000 is about 5,900. Based on this base number, it is 2,900, so if you simply calculate and divide it by 5,000, it is about 2,500, and we are adjusting it every day, so we would like to bring it to 1 as much as possible.

However, in the first place, we are planning to clean up all of them in three years, and I believe that the policy of review has already been established to that extent in three years. Including that, I would like to pin down the entire issue once and proceed with the plan and schedule I mentioned earlier.

It's been a long time, but that's all.

Vice-Chairman: Thank you very much.

We have just received two presentations, but please feel free to give us your opinions, questions, etc.
Mr. Inadani, please.

Inadani Member: Thank you for your explanation.

First of all, I would like to point out one point that I suddenly noticed earlier. In the appendix of the Bulk Review Plan, in the category of the basic concept of the review of "regular inspection" and regulation, it is written that "the risk-based review approach is not appropriate." I don't think it is misleading. For example, how much radiation should be removed is a kind of risk-based regulation itself. Therefore, if this is the case, it can be read as if the risk-based approach itself is not good. In fact, if the government agency in charge of the regulation, which is made based on the risk-based approach, understands this meaning, it will cause unnecessary conflict. Therefore, I think it is desirable to write it so that the nuance can be conveyed. If it is written based on the risk-based approach, there is no need to change it. If it is changed, I think it is exactly the case of radiation, but it is not appropriate because it will move something that has already been established and is based on the risk-based approach. If it is perceived as strange that the risk-based approach itself cannot be used, perhaps the risk-based approach itself has become an international standard as the basic concept of the whole risk management, as well as the regulation, so I think it would be a waste to read it in a way that it is oddly different from that. I am sorry for the very detailed explanation, but I would like to point out what I have just noticed.

Secretariat (Matsuda): I would like to clarify that the Thank you very much. I think this is an important point, so I would like to adjust and consider the writing style at the end. Thank you very much.

Inadani Member: I'm sorry. Nice to meet you.

Vice-Chairman: , I would like to ask you to take care of that, Mr. Ochiai.

Ochiai Member: Thank you very much.

I have several points from my side. One is that at the previous meeting this week, there was a talk about the test, and I think there was a talk from the National Police Agency, but in order to create a mechanism that will be a common part, to create a part that will not be independently considered, and to prevent ministries and agencies from overlapping, I think there are parts where Technology Map is showing the technology itself for specific Issue solutions. I think Digital Agency itself does not want people to think about this part, so I think they will ask you to use this set. I think the parts that have already been developed will be used in common, and for the parts that are expected to be developed specifically in the near future, I think they will ask you to list them together with Technology Map. If so, I think it will lead to thorough implementation of the principles of common infrastructure, so I would like to add such a part.

Another point is that, overall, when the CTO was discussing earlier, we also discussed how to make it one of-a-kind, but I would like each ministry to carefully consider the connection and loose coupling of APIs in the system design. I think there are some parts that are difficult to say in the form of individual reforms, but I think there are some things that should be said in the design. Since the system is often reviewed when the regulation is reviewed, I think the specific themes are the face-to-face meeting of Principles 1 and 2 and the development of agile governance. However, when I think about it recently, there are actually quite a few efforts to ensure the common foundation and interoperability that I just mentioned, and I think it is important to present them together. I think that such parts actually have results in terms of content, so it is important to be able to see them. I would like you to consider adding such points.

That's all.

Vice-Chairman: ?

Secretariat (Matsuda): I would like to clarify that the Thank you very much.

In fact, before this meeting began, we had a meeting on the system side, and we were talking about doing what Mr. Ochiai just said. We are now creating a process in which each ministry and agency will present what kind of system investment they will make over the next five years, and Digital Agency will receive and exchange it. In the process, we had been asking each ministry to create it for the time being, but now that Digital Agency has become the Digital Agency, we will do this as a common function, so we would like to show that transition will be done in this way. I thought that I would like to write down what Mr. Ochiai said at the Digi Link and make it concrete in the system plan.

In that sense, on page 21 of the schedule of this document, we are currently discussing the communication in the "Description and Publication of System Development Policies in the Medium - and Long-term Plan," and if we write down that we will thoroughly use common functions or make efforts to develop missing functions as common functions, it will be consistent with Digital Agency's system policies.

In addition, as for the second point, in the first place, there is actually a talk about how to design and show a common architecture to some extent to realize various services, including the government as a whole and local government, and I thought that it would be a story that would be connected to that. To what extent can I express it specifically, but if I do not create it, I think it will become a foundation for creating a common infrastructure, so I would like to see this document be referred to and the system be further specified.

Ochiai Member: Thank you very much. Please do so.

When we are discussing regulatory reform, we may be refuted by people who have such doubts individually, and the points at issue may be confused. In terms of pinning down such doubts, I feel that there are situations where it is relatively easy to discuss if we can say that the government has decided to do this in common. I think there is a big plus on the side of regulatory reform, so I would like to ask for your cooperation.

Secretariat (Matsuda): I would like to clarify that the Thank you very much.

As I listened to Mr. Ochiai, one of our feelings about Issue is that, for example, based on the premise of using My Number Card, there are actually guidelines on how and at what level administrative procedures should be verified. However, it is said that regulation does not have such guidelines, and it has been shown for typical administrative procedures. However, it is said that My Number Card does not have guidelines on how much it is OK to verify the identity of regulation in a certain kind of eKYC-like world, and I thought that we should create such guidelines next time.

Ochiai Member: Thank you very much.

I think it would be good to have a graded version of the technical aspect and the level of implementation in practice. I think there was a version a little while ago where Mr. Nemoto also discussed identity verification, and I think the image that came out at that time is also such a content. I think it will be a very positive part because if you can formulate it in a way that can be considered as a story of this level by adding a grade to the technology and alpha depending on the matter, I think it is a method to formulate it in a way that can be considered as a story of this level.

Secretariat (Matsuda): I would like to clarify that the . I thought it would be better to expand the concept of Technology Map and think about it. Thank you very much.

Vice-Chairman:

Mr. Nemoto, thank you for waiting.

Nemoto Constituent: Please make it

Going back to Digital Legislation Bureau, I feel like there was a talk about the confirmation process, and the more eyes there are to check, the more properly it can be done. It may be a misnomer, but I would like you to create an opportunity to expose it to the eyes of the people as much as possible. In addition, I think that after the bill or regulation is passed, many problems that were not noticed until then will come up, so I would be happy if a mechanism to review it into agile will be introduced.

Also, it may be detailed, but I think the policy confirmation list and so on, which is created depending on the inspection status, is in the form of a positive list. There will definitely be omissions in the positive list. You just reported that 1,000 plus alpha items were found from each ministry, but I would appreciate if you could make it a framework in which we will continue to do whatever we find.

In addition, Mr. Ochiai's talk about identity verification for the My Number system may be theological in some areas, but there are some areas where it seems that there is a belief in paper or a belief that face-to-face identification is more reliable than My Number identification. I would like to ask you to correct such points.

In addition, this is a fundamental problem. When I talk about some procedures and so on, I feel that we are busy digitizing existing technologies and that we are not becoming a digital transformation. I think that the idea of "assuming that existing regulation is correct as a regulation or discipline is correct as a discipline, how can we digitalization it somehow?" is different from the way of thinking in this era. I would appreciate if you could consider that as a Issue in the future.

Finally, it may be premature, but it is necessary to quickly proceed with the establishment of a public council for the post-digital consultation. If it is Digital Legislation Bureau, that would be fine, but depending on the situation, Mr. Digital Agency may have to add a new authority regulation. I would appreciate if you could discuss such a disciplinary issue or watchdog issue as soon as possible.

That's all.

Vice-Chairman: .

The first proposal was from Digital Legislation Bureau, so I think it would be good if you could give me an answer.

Secretariat (Suga): Thank you Nemoto for your guidance as always.

We are keenly aware that it will not be complete just to update from Technology Map or to check by the Digi-Cho or each ministry. We have conducted a large-scale survey of requests from the people and industry this time, and I believe that some kind of mechanism is necessary, including not only fixed-point observation at a certain point in time, but also receiving them as needed. We have not yet been able to discuss this, so I would like the Review Team to thoroughly discuss it once and then consult with the Working Group.

In addition, I would like to answer about the Public Chamber as well. Since the Ad Hoc Committee is an ad hoc organization, the members of the Study Team are discussing how to becoming homeostatic its functions within the Government. I hope that the Government will make thorough preparations and report back to you.

Vice-Chairman: , if you have any comments at this point in time, please.

Secretariat (Matsuda): I would like to clarify that the Positive List will always be reviewed, even if it is omitted.

In addition, regarding the lump-sum legislation with the Legislative Bureau, I would like to fully convey our current recognition of Issue to the members, and I would like to receive various guidance. We would like to submit this as soon as possible. If necessary, we would like to submit it several times. We are prepared for this.

On the other hand, from the perspective of the Legislative Bureau, there are discussions such as "In visual inspection, it is necessary to bring them all together," and "In the case of periodic inspections, it is the same discipline, so I would like you to bring them all together at once."

In the case of periodic inspections in particular, I believe that there are places where we build up our technologies while conducting technical validation, and we are organizing them with a sense of Issue about what can be processed in what time frame.

On the other hand, browsing and other such matters can be done by considerably expanding and strengthening the Digital Procedure Act, and I think there are also parts that are easier to do in a more comprehensive manner. I would like to adjust what kind of method can be done at what stage while sorting out the patterns well, and I would also like to consult with you on the progress of that.

That's all.

Vice-Chairman: .

There are several people whose hands are raised. I may have raised my hands in the wrong order. If so, I would like to ask for your forgiveness. Could you please speak in the order of Mr. Uenoyama, Mr. Masushima, and Mr. Inadani?

Mr. Uenoyama, please go ahead.

Uenoyama Member: Thank you very much.

I was out of line, so my comments overlap with the previous agenda. First of all, I don't have any detailed comments on the materials to be released, but I think it is about communication design, and I am looking forward to moving forward because I have been design things.

In this document, I believe that there is a story of review through system maintenance. Regarding this, I believe that various requests from the system side have been collected from each department, which overlaps with the story of the CTO earlier, and I believe that there is a discussion about what to make or not to make. In this context, it is important to balance between fixation and resolution, and I think it is very important to see whether there is a foundation for making a decision to abandon this point of view without fixation.

For example, there are various stories at the security level, but if you just give up a certain part, it will actually be twice or three times as fast. Is there a place to make decisions that balance particularity and division? It is a very common story in development, which is a large-scale system, and if you give up something in that sense, rather than making or not making something, it is a common requirement of the system. If the process of discussing the balance between particularity and division and making decisions is sound, I think it will be very fast. I think that is exactly what we are focusing on, and I made a comment after hearing the agenda in the second half of the previous article, hoping that it will go well.

That's all from me.

Vice-Chairman: .

Do you have any comments from the secretariat?

Secretariat (Matsuda): I would like to clarify that the Thank you very much.

Actually, as Mr. Uenoyama has just mentioned, for example, a cashless bill has already been enacted in the National Assembly. At the same time, the budget request of the system has been raised by each Ministry, including the Digi-cho, and it has been said that everyone is trying to create a mechanism to respond to cashless payments. However, we are currently discussing the best form of the system by looking at what has been raised in budget request and using existing systems.

How will governance be conducted in Digital Agency? Some products may not necessarily have common functions, but they are costly, so trials have begun on how to handle this. We are conducting governance and process design on-going. However, I believe that we are actually working on how to do this through various discussions at the Agency.

Also, I would appreciate if you could give me advice and knowledge on how to proceed in various places.

Vice-Chairman: . Governance of the institutional design will be a problem.

Masushima-sensei, please.

Masujima Member: Thank you very much.

Thank you very much for writing a very comprehensive review plan this time. Columns are also scattered here and there, and I think it is very good. I thought it was a very good idea to make columns by enclosing things that do not fit in the context.

The most important thing about this proposal is what is said in the Working on the Formation and Evaluation of agile type Policies on page 21. Mr. Nemoto mentioned that you are going to make a digital transformation, but in the end, it is a cultural revolution, or a story that cultural reform must be done, and if you can't do this, it will be a story in which none of the proposals will come out. I think that is what the proposal this time well expresses. It is very important how to technically implement individual measures, but I understand that the general remarks describe how to realize the proposal, and the various processes to be carried out this time are structured so that the proposal will be embodied. I think that the part of 1-chome 1-banchi is that they are connected to each other in a good way, so I thought that it would be good if that point was expressed in an easy-to-understand manner.

That's all.

Vice-Chairman: .

This is certainly written in a good way. I thought so, too.

Masujima Member: This is amazing. It says why infallibility is bad, and it goes straight to the essence. It says that if you can't do this, you can't do agile and you can't do digital. It's also okay to make a mistake, but it's obvious that you can't make a review plan unless you talk about how you can change it more and more. This is a really important point, so I think what is here is that our activities will be carried out based on this spirit, rather than taking into consideration the contents that have been discussed by other study groups.

Vice-Chairman: Agile will really be a cultural revolution. It will obviously be. When asked if you can do such a thing, it's harsh, and I'm not confident at all. I really thought so, too.

Mr. Inadani, thank you for waiting.

Inadani Member: is a similar story, or rather, he is positioning digital transformation as the first step in the overall picture of digitalization. For example, there was talk several times before about whether or not this would be done on the spot. For example, in the direction of the digital principles for structural reform and the review of the digital principles, there may be a major institutional change, or the culture of Kasumigaseki may change, and I think there were quite a few items related to changes in the way Japan as a whole should be. I hope that I can have an image that these points are connected and that we will move toward that direction as a whole.

In other words, unfortunately, there are some principles that are not mentioned at all. Of course, reform will not progress unless we start from where we can start, so it is important to continue reform. That is exactly what I think. If we can convey well that we are just starting to grow in the future, I think we can get an image that digitalization will be centered on this point. In relation to that, as I mentioned earlier, I feel that it is very important to what extent you consider the functions of Digital Legislation Bureau. In other words, if you include all of these initial agile governance principles, digital principles for structural reforms, and inspections, and finally launch organization centered on this point, I feel that we can position this move at the center of digital transformation. It may be difficult to answer, but I would like to ask you about this point or how you imagine it will be done in the future.

Vice-Chairman: , what is it?

Secretariat (Matsuda): I would like to clarify that the Thank you very much.

What I thought while listening to you now is that agile, which is written here, has been discussed in various ways in governance innovation. As there was in the past, I thought that in the world called agile governance EBPM, the administration itself should be changing, and by doing so, it would be like creating a state that is smart, rational, and can do something quickly.

On the other hand, when we are reviewing hundreds or dozens of regulation one by one with each ministry, we are communicating with the original division and each group. I asked them to do it in the working group. They are beginning to think flexibly about whether there is such a technology or whether it can be done because other ministries and agencies are doing it. There are different reasons why they are not moving. EBPM and agile governance are not moving even if we just say the concept. While discussing how to review each one, we are communicating that it will be like this in the future, and that it is definitely the right direction. We are still cross-sectional, and we are incorporating it on a technology-based basis, and I thought again that it would be good to show them that it will be like this in the future.

We had discussions and thought that this would probably be the case. However, in this report, I have written about the issues raised by different working groups. Based on the opinions of the professors, I thought that Minister Makishima and Parliamentary Senior Vice-Minister for Foreign Affairs Kobayashi, there are both working groups, and I would like to send a message that they will be integrated.

I would like to think about what I can do, and if there is input that I should write about this kind of thing, I think there are still ways to write, including columns, so I would like to consult with you.

Inadani Member: Thank you very much.

Vice-Chairman: in a cool way.

Mr. Ochiai, and then Senior Vice-Minister, please.

Ochiai Member: Thank you very much.

As I commented earlier, I have always thought that the most important thing in this conference is administrative reform. In that sense, the inclusion of 7 is actually the most important. Compared to 7, I feel that 1 to 6 are already technical discussions. I think it will be very important to further increase this part over the next two years.
You wrote about the part to review law. I believe that if digital technology can be used, administrative officials will be able to change the process of supervision, for example, law enforcement. There was a discussion last time that because they could not supervise individually, they relied on regulation in advance, and I think that there is also a case of regulation after the fact, including how to hold people accountable for accidents. We will change the culture so that monitoring and supervision can be actively conducted, and if we can emphasize that such efforts will be more appreciated, public office's moves will change more positively, and I hope that local government will change as well. From that perspective, I believe that if you write in a column that you can do this kind of work by using data, you can increase positive and positive things, so I would like you to consider it.

Vice-Chairman: , thank you very much.

It was really good to receive various supportive opinions from everyone.

Mr. Senior Vice-Minister, I'm sorry to have kept you waiting. May I have your say?

Chairman . I believe that the members of the Administrative Reform Secretariat who have worked hard will be truly rewarded for their praise of the administrative reform part.

As Mr. Matsuda said, originally, the Ad Hoc Liaison Office will conduct digital, regulation, and administrative reform in an integrated manner, and the review of regulations on paper and in-person processes in regulatory reform will come first. However, I believe that the essence of the Ad Hoc Liaison Office is to fundamentally rebuild the country's large social infrastructure, which is the administrative organization, and I believe that law is of course part of it.

At that time, I believe that the most important goal is to create an administrative organization that autonomously reviews its own rules and customs, so I hope that I can continue to talk about this with you.

It is inevitable that the policy will be partially implemented. Each time it is implemented, the focus will be on it, and the overall picture and the overall package will always be forgotten. Therefore, I believe that we must always keep in mind to shift our focus to the overall package.

That's why I think this summary has become wonderful. I think that if we can communicate with the world through your mouths and share the overall goal of that, we will be able to proceed without hesitation. Thank you very much for your continued support. I'm glad to hear your praise. Thank you very much.

Vice-Chairman: .
I believe we have thoroughly discussed this matter. Is it all right with you?

Thank you very much for your open discussion today. Of course, thank you very much to all the presenters for their very strong presentations.

Didn't you all get quite a culture shock from Mr. Fujimoto? I'm sorry, but I was wondering if he was the guy who first appeared in the images and drew pictures of the background of the game.

I'm saying this in a positive way. I really thought that such a person had been appointed to an important position, and that Japan was really not something that had been abandoned.

Thank you very much, Mr. Fujimoto.

CTO Fujimoto: I will do my best. Thank you very much, everyone.

Vice-Chairman: So, I am very shocked to hear that Mr. Nemoto is retiring from the Working Group today. I would like to have a few words of greeting.

What do you think, Mr. Nemoto?

Nemoto Constituent: Please make it I also received a notification that today is the last time for me, so please give me just one minute.

First of all, I would like to thank Chairman Kobayashi and other people concerned for the launch of Digiri. It was my long-cherished desire, so I am very pleased that this work has actually begun.

On the other hand, I have to leave as of today, so it is completely incomplete combustion. I thought I could continue a little more if I could use it for Mr. Ahn Nen's shosei, but unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be such a situation.

Actually, for the past 40 years or so, I myself have been talking about this field from around the procurement issue of communication satellites, probably even before government officials entered the Ministry. For the past 10 years or so, I have been in Society5.0, and I have been focusing on three major targets: administration, medical care, and education.

As for the administration, it is as we are discussing now, but in medical care and education, needless to say, during the COVID-19 pandemic over the past two to three years, a major disaster has occurred in cyberspace, almost like Tokyo after the Great Tokyo Air Raids. I think the fact that e-Japan, which was launched 20 years ago, could not achieve anything at all today has led to the major disaster. I wanted to do something about it, so I started this digital approach. The only way is to use leapfrog and leapfrog jumping, and I would be very happy if you could finish it in three years at a stretch.

From now on, I will stand outside the Digital Rincho, but I will wave a big support flag from the outside as much as possible, so I hope you will continue to do your best.

It was a short time, but thank you very much.

Vice-Chairman: Nemoto. I'm so lonely.

Nemoto Constituent: Please make it Shosei.

Vice-Chairman: . I will be your shosei.

I would like to ask you once again to make a statement to the Senior Vice-Minister. Is that okay?

Chairman : First of all, Mr. Nemoto, thank you very much. Is it already three years ago? When we were doing various regulatory reform at our headquarters, I asked Mr. Nemoto if there was a way to change the regulation of this country 10 times or 100 times faster. When I heard that there was actually a Rincho in the past, I was inspired by the concept of the Digital Rincho, and I think it is really big that I was able to make the first plan with wonderful members together with Mr. Nemoto.

I believe that politics will carry on the history of Japan for a long time, so I would like to carry on the thoughts of each of you, achieve solid results, and look back on them later so that people will think that this country has changed greatly over the years.

In that sense, the results of the Agile Working Group and the compilation of the Digital Rincho by regulatory reform are partly the result of various initiatives that were compiled when Mr. Matsuda and Mr. Suga were in METI, and in that sense, I believe that the wisdom of all of you has been gathered here and it has become a very big initiative.

Therefore, in order to be able to make a full report this time, we will give it one more push, and the entire Secretariat will work hard to reap the benefits for the next regular session. I would be very grateful if you could send a strong message of support to all of the members. According to a Nikkei poll, more than 30% of people have expectations for economic measures and social security, but only a whopping 8% have expectations for regulatory reform. Why? I am interested in individual projects, but I believe that the reality is that an agenda has not yet been set for the part where we need to improve the whole and review the regulation at the root of it. Unless we set an agenda, we will not be able to open a big door, so how we can do this agenda set together is something we can do anywhere, so I would like everyone to cooperate together. If we do so, everyone's efforts will flourish further, so I would like to ask for your continued cooperation.

Thank you very much again today.

Vice-Chairman: .

Thank you so much, Nemoto-san. I wish you every success.

Finally, please let us know from the office.

Basically, I believe that today is the last working group meeting to compile the Digi-in Spring Campaign.

As for today's proceedings, I believe that there is nothing that is not suitable for disclosure, so I would like to prepare minutes later and disclose them after everyone has confirmed them.

In addition, regarding the handling of today's materials, the regulation Comprehensive Review Plan in light of the Digital Principles is still at the stage of coordination among ministries and agencies, including the one we received today, so if you do not object to the fact that it is not suitable for public disclosure until during the parent meeting of the Digi-in, we would like to keep the relevant part private during that period. We would like to handle the other materials by disclosing them on the Digital Rincho website.

Thank you for joining us today.

Vice-Chairman: Now, ladies and gentlemen, we conclude the eleventh session of the Conference. Thank you very much.